jacobg wrote:What is the price difference between this and an equivalent model/age/condition Conn? How about an equivalent York stencil? or any equivalent American stencil?
Things that I've heard mentioned have included not only design, but brass composition and thickness. I have a c.1913 York built-up rotary valve circular altohorn, and the workmanship will knock your socks off. Much more complex than a Conn, or ANY stencil.
After York was bought out in 1940 by Carl Fisher, production of horns ended during WW2 so that the factory could make munitions. After the war, Carl Fisher imported horns as "York Master" that were made by B&M, which was no shoddy outfit, either.
Instead of talking to your plants, if you yelled at them would they still grow, but only to be troubled and insecure?
Yes but what is the price difference, not the difference in workmanship?
It seems like for most instruments ebay prices are about 50-75% of music store prices, considering the sellers pay no rent, have no employees, the instruments must be shipped, they're bought sight unseen, and scams abound. Ocassionally for something like this York, or a NY Bach trumpet mouthpiece, etc, the price will be ABOVE what a music store would charge, something like 125-150%. I guess this is due to the phenomenon of bidding wars.
trseaman wrote:If the last York on Ebay in lesser condition sold for $7800 and lets say you're willing to pay this much. Why wouldn't you wait until the end of the auction to place your final bid of $7800? What are the advantages of slowly bidding it up when in the end your going to bid the $7800 anyways?
None, but these guys didn't actually have some such limit in mind beforehand. They're letting the other guy play a part in defining it. It has to be more fun in live auctions, where it all happens in a couple minutes.
I once picked up a 4/4 York BB on eBay for $130 (it was listed as a "baritone"). It was a 3-banger, and I didn't think it was particularly special--actually, kind of stuffy. I traded it for a big Martin and some York Monster Eb parts and a CC valve cluster.
So if this is for a 4/4 York, what's the going price for a 6/4 York CC nowadays?
UncleBeer wrote:Man, most of those cut jobs lookSO wrong...
That must be one of Bob Rusk's creations with the trimmed-down bell. The original 6/4 York bell is about 22.5" in diameter and looks downright imposing.
harold wrote:The York in the photo above is indeed Rusk cut.
I have one that will be going on the market in about 18 months that will knock your socks off. Just wait for the pics.
I'm thinking about selling the one I have here, 4p+1r, Rusk cut--but with the full bell, Walt Johnson case + gig bag. I'm thinking $12K. It's a great horn, but I just don't play it much.
As I've stated, old horns don't interest me much at all. With that said, is there really a market of BBb players looking for horns in the 10-12k range?
Peace.
ASG
windshieldbug wrote:
Things that I've heard mentioned have included not only design, but brass composition and thickness. I have a c.1913 York built-up rotary valve circular altohorn, and the workmanship will knock your socks off. Much more complex than a Conn, or ANY stencil.
But the other York instruments are not particularly collectible, not even the sousaphones, baritones and euphoniums, which presumably would share much of the same workmanship as the tubas. NO ONE is interested in the trombones. Not sure about the trumpets.
Conn trombones from the same period, on the other hand, are viewed as being of excellent quality and workmanship.
It's not a question of bore size. All the manufacturers made trombones of various bore sizes.
York cornets are also highly regarded, as were the York "Airflow" trumpets. The difference you mention may be due to design, as well as construction. Some instruments were obviously a huge success. But such is the (still) black art of instrument accoustics and construction.
Instead of talking to your plants, if you yelled at them would they still grow, but only to be troubled and insecure?
ArnoldGottlieb wrote:As I've stated, old horns don't interest me much at all. With that said, is there really a market of BBb players looking for horns in the 10-12k range?
Peace.
ASG
Yes. The "serious" BBb market has absolutely "caught up" $$$$$-wise with the CC market.
- the strong emergence of American brass bands...??
- the wild expansion of American community bands...??
- the bit-by-bit extinction of the "baby boomers" being replaced by the "heck, I deserve it-ers"...??
- the escalation of enthusiasm of all hobbies in the U.S. as people find themselves with mo' and mo' spare time and living longer and longer...??
- the incredibly roaring U.S. economy (about which one would not know, unless one is currently investing money...or trying to navigate a vehicle in and around U.S. cities)...??
Thanks, I guess trends just pass me by.....
Peace.
ASG
