Toledo Symphony Orchestra

[SplatterTone]

I'm coming with these to kick everyone's ***:

OH NOOOOOO

[Mark]

One thing that everyone needs to remember is, IT IS JUST MUSIC.

If you are saying the pay is low because music is not as important as other things in life, then explain why Paul McCartney is worth over a billion dollars. (Yes, that's billion with a "b".)

[Mark]

Paul McCartney is worth over a billion dollars because of millions upon millions of people who pay large sums of money to hear him. Does this make him a better musician than the Tuba player of Toledo.

It does if you include the ability to draw an audience as part of a musician's job description.

2. You clearly did not listen to my statement about how there are more important things in the world than music. But the problem is people ignore the more important things, like helping a fellow human being buy food for a month instead of shelling out close to $100 or more so you can see an artists fingerings or read the logo on their shirt.

I "listened" to your statement. I just discounted it. I would point out that those people paying $100 or more, which includes me, are feeding the human beings employed by the orchestra. People who have worked hard to get the jobs they have.

What I was saying was, that people get all worked up over things, that in the end, don't really matter.

Music does matter.

31K is more than enough to live comfortably in a place like Toledo.

No, it's not, especially if you have a family to support.

And on the topic of McCartney, he donates large sums of his money to help those people in need. So he is making up for our shortcomings in a way.

I have no shortcomings when it comes to my charitable donations; so don't include me in your statements. And, according to your logic, McCartney has not given anywhere near enough if he still has more money than the tuba player in Toledo
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[MartyNeilan]

200 sevices at $156 a service. How many rehearsals and how much practice time?

FWIW, in my very limited professional orchestral playing experience, a "service" constituted either a performance or a rehearsal.

Marty "who had less than no chops the last time he took an audition and probably won't take another soon"

[Jeffrey Hicks]

Hey Splatter,

I'm coming with these to kick everyone's ***:

sarrusophones scare the hell out of me.....worse than a jealous husband with a chainsaw.....

[fatemokid]

I was just wondering if anyone from Oklahoma is planning to go to the audition. If so, maybe we could car pool. Post a message on here and maybe we could get in touch.

[fatemokid]

that's a very good question. If anyone knows anything about that, I would sure like to know.

[joebob]

I think something everyone is also missing is, why is every low brass spot in Toledo open now? What kind of situation is it to make every spot in the low brass open all at once? That raises a red flag.

I am definitely missing that. Where are the trombone openings posted? As far as I can tell they weren't posted in the same edition of the International Musician as the tuba position.

[joebob]

http://www.musicalchairs.info/

under U.S. , then trombone

I had checked that sight before my earlier reply. That sight does not list any Toledo Symphony trombone positions. It does list 3 trombone positions with the Vancouver Island Symphony in Canada. I assume that's not related to the Toledo Symphony.

[fatemokid]

If you've got mad skillz then you are guaranteed a spot

[windshieldbug]

Do you guys think I have a chance to win Toledo? Im graduating High School soon, and I own a Yorkbrunner? My teacher says Ive got mad Skillz.

The other violas are waiting for you!

[quinterbourne]

Keep in mind that to audition for the Vancouver Island Symphony, you need to be a Canadian citizen. In Canada, and many european countries, orchestras are required to hold an audition limited to citizens of that country before proceeding to an international audition. Often the national audition is more of a "formality" because the orchestra wants the best player possible, they usually have an international audition regardless of who plays the best during the national audition (but they may very well end up going with the winner of the national audition after the international audition). There aren't any rules regarding who they may or may not choose, besides those of discrimination (which are very difficult to prove in the usually screened audition process of most orchestras).

I do not know the specifics of the Vancouver Island Symphony. It's quite possible that they do not give players tenure, and that they re-audition any positions they feel like. Either the players who covered those positions in the previous season decided to leave the orchestra, or management decided to "let them go" and re-audition their positions.

[quinterbourne]

Also note that the orchestra has an EXTREMELY short concert season. There are only seven performances (8 if you count the 2nd Messiah performance) of which about 4 (or less) the trombones are involved with and probably only 1 (the very last) that includes tuba on the program.

So, assume that's about 20-25 services for trombones (and that's being VERY generous) and pay of $100 per service for principal and $80 for 2nd/bass (again, being VERY generous) that works out to an annual salary of $2000-2500 for principal and $1600-2000 for 2nd/bass... and this is in CDN $$$.

What I'm trying to say is... who cares? I find it surprising that they have an audition at all. I would expect for these musicians to be hired per service w/o any audition process.

[Getzeng50s]

Hey homie... Whoze Ya teacher that sayz u got maaaad skillz yo

[sc_curtis]

I was just kidding everybody. I am a huge retarded dork who couldn't play tuba out of a paper bag. I offer you my deepest apologies for being such an idiot and wasting all of your time. I actually have no teacher, don't own a yorkbrunner and I just play on a tristar tuba.

This is one of the funnier things I've read on here. Thanks!

[Getzeng50s]

No you did not. not even funny.

[Tubaryan12]

No you did not. not even funny.

Dude, that was funny.

fo' shizzle

[windshieldbug]

didn't orchestras learn that experience isn't everything from carol jantsch?

She had already accumulated some symphony, overseas, and broadcast work by that point- and still wasn't asked to audition until they heard her tape, which wasn't even submitted to them.

[happyroman]

Could someone please post the audition repertoire? Thanks.