New Besson Instruments to be unveiled

Rick F · Post by **Rick F** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:35 pm

Some of the new Besson models are to be unveiled at the finals of the British National Brass Band Championships (sponsored by Besson) at the Royal Albert Hall.

Models to be displayed are:

The Prestige and Sovereign cornets
Sovereign horns and baritones
Prestige and Sovereign euphoniums

Steve Mead has posted his review of the new Prestige and Sovereign euphonium. Sounds very promising.

New Prestige and Sovereign euphoniums reviewed

Lew · Post by **Lew** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:18 pm

Where are these instruments being made?

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:50 pm

Lew wrote:Where are these instruments being made?

From what I've heard, in Germany at the B&S factory

jameseuph642 · Post by **jameseuph642** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:55 pm

Anyone know if the new valve guides will fit the previous models?

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:22 am

Neptune wrote:
Lew wrote:Where are these instruments being made?
From what I've heard, in Germany at the B&S factory

I may stand corrected but I think Meinl is building the euphs. Some of the student horns are being built in India. Buffet is supposed to be handling parts.

Highams · Post by **Highams** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:23 am

Yes, they will be at the Nationals on full display;

http://www.4barsrest.com/results/nationals_champ.asp

I'll have a sniff-around out of curiosity, but if all the hype is true (and it proved false with the first models), then ebay will be flooded with lots of used models when they all replace them with the 'must-have' new ones.

CB

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:41 pm

Good! Then maybe the slightly older New Standard 3-valve comp euphs and baritones will come back down in price so I can purchase a couple of matching examples to my 3-valve BBb.

Highams · Post by **Highams** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:38 am

Fred Rhodes Ltd. also announce a new Swiss hand made Euphonium for this weekend;

http://www.4barsrest.com/news/detail.asp?id=4300

CB

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:47 am

Highams wrote:Fred Rhodes Ltd. also announce a new Swiss hand made Euphonium for this weekend;

http://www.4barsrest.com/news/detail.asp?id=4300

CB

Too bad nobody at Fred Rhodes owns a digital camera. Their website doesn't even have pictures of what they sell.

So, the question is...Did Willson or Hirsbrunner make it?

Rick "whose vote goes to Willson" Denney

Highams · Post by **Highams** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:59 am

No idea Rick, just saw it a few hours ago, not much of a promotion.

CB

AndyCat · Post by **AndyCat** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:00 pm

No, This company http://www.inderbinen.com/Page_e/Euphonium_e.html
I would have thought.

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:37 pm

AndyCat wrote:No, This company http://www.inderbinen.com/Page_e/Euphonium_e.html
I would have thought.

Okay--a new kid on the euphonium block. Funny how their very first hand-made attempt is so good it isn't even worth buffing, heh, heh.

Rick "wondering if black torch burns, annealing oxidation, and hammer marks will be the new style in the big British brass bands" Denney

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:25 pm

Rick Denny wrote:wondering if black torch burns, annealing oxidation, and hammer marks will be the new style in the big British brass bands

I'm hoping that THIS is the look that takes off...

http://www.inderbinen.com/Page_e/Davinci_e.html

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:56 pm

Rick Denney wrote:Rick "wondering if black torch burns, annealing oxidation, and hammer marks will be the new style in the big British brass bands" Denney

You know, I don't know if those are torch burns or just some funny "antiquing" process used solely for looks. Note that you don't see any signs of buffing around the ferrules.

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:57 pm

windshieldbug wrote:I'm hoping that THIS is the look that takes off...

http://www.inderbinen.com/Page_e/Davinci_e.html

Looks like it was dipped in molasses and then rolled in swarf....

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:06 pm

Chuck(G) wrote:just some funny "antiquing" process used solely for looks

Captain Sousie · Post by **Captain Sousie** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:40 pm

windshieldbug wrote:I'm hoping that THIS is the look that takes off...

http://www.inderbinen.com/Page_e/Davinci_e.html

I may be just a tuba player, but I don't see a reciever or anything resembling one. Maybe I'm just not loking at it right.

Sou

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:51 pm

Captain Sousie wrote:
windshieldbug wrote:I'm hoping that THIS is the look that takes off...

http://www.inderbinen.com/Page_e/Davinci_e.html
I may be just a tuba player, but I don't see a reciever or anything resembling one. Maybe I'm just not loking at it right.

Sou

Isn't that one at the top, just beyond the third valve? (of course, it doen't connect to anything... )

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:31 pm

From the manufacturers web page:

"We have hammered and formed the whole body (bell, bows and slides) for several days. Having finished this work we get a certain hardness of the brass, which results in very strong and spontaneous vibrations."

Evidently this 'new' forming process can be done without the conventional annealing that usually has to be performed several times during bow-making to keep the brass from becoming brittle. If you bang on a piece of brass for several days it's gonna fall apart!

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:41 pm

TubaTinker wrote: quoting the manufacturer, "...which results in very strong and spontaneous vibrations."

Spontaneous vibrations? Is that good?

I keep visualizing the horn just sitting there, and suddenly vibrating spontaneously. Personally, I think it would freak me out.

Rick "wondering if the New Age schtick really works for them" Denney