BORDOGNI!! YEAH!!!

smurphius · Post by **smurphius** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:27 pm

I'm so excited that Wes Jacobs along with Encore Music is now publishing a complete, spiral bound set of the Bordogni etudes! This has been so long needed. Between this and Arban's, I'll have enough music to perfect for the rest of my life!!

http://www.encoremupub.com

Viggofonen · Post by **Viggofonen** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:38 pm

Is the etudes in this edition in the same key as the ones in the 43 bel canto studies?

Erin · Post by **Erin** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:31 pm

Does anyone know if the etudes in the Wes Jacobs edition are in the same order as the etudes in the Rochut?

pulseczar · Post by **pulseczar** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:01 pm

nope.

I like it better than Rochut just because it's easier for me to read.

hbcrandy · Post by **hbcrandy** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:25 am

My thanks go out to Wes Jacobs for his fine publications for tubist everywhere such as the Arbans and Bordogni. HOWEVER, the ability for a tubist to fluently, read parts down one octave is vital, especially for the free-lancer. Many times I have been on jobs where half of the parts you play are double-bass parts that must be read down an octave, on sight. This was especially prevalent in the Ringling Brothers Circus books in the 1980's. Training from the trombone Arban's book and Johannes Rochut's Melodious Etudes were the books that gave me the fluency in reading down one octave as well as the great finger technique and melodic playing for which the aforemetioned publications were meant.

Quicksilvertuba · Post by **Quicksilvertuba** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:35 am

Erin wrote:Does anyone know if the etudes in the Wes Jacobs edition are in the same order as the etudes in the Rochut?

tubaboy85 wrote:Is the etudes in this edition in the same key as the ones in the 43 bel canto studies?

The new Bordogni is the three volumes of Rochut put together in the same order and spiral bound. Only all the exercises are down an octave. As far as in the same key as the original Bel Canto Studies: Since I gave mine away years ago I couldn't tell you, but I would imagine they are in the same key.

hbcrandy wrote:HOWEVER, the ability for a tubist to fluently, read parts down one octave is vital, especially for the free-lancer.

I have noticed that ever since I stopped using Rochut, my sightreading up that high (leger lines mostly) has really gone down the crapper.

JB · Post by JB » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:05 pm

Quicksilvertuba wrote:
Erin wrote:Does anyone know if the etudes in the Wes Jacobs edition are in the same order as the etudes in the Rochut?
The new Bordogni is the three volumes of Rochut put together in the same order and spiral bound. Only all the exercises are down an octave.

If my recollection is correct, the etude #1 in volume I of the Rochut trombone books is actually Rochut rather than Bordogni. Did Mr Jacobs include this first etude in his Bordogni collection, or is his first etude (#1) starting with what we commonly know as the Rochut second etude (#2). Thus, would the numbering be the same for the Jacobs except that all are off by one number when comparing to the trombone Rochut books?

Would anyone familiar with the Jacobs edition please comment.

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:07 pm

Does this book include the Bordogni vocalises or just the bel canto works?

Here's page of the vocalises:

Quicksilvertuba · Post by **Quicksilvertuba** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:46 pm

JB wrote:
Quicksilvertuba wrote:
Erin wrote:Does anyone know if the etudes in the Wes Jacobs edition are in the same order as the etudes in the Rochut?
The new Bordogni is the three volumes of Rochut put together in the same order and spiral bound. Only all the exercises are down an octave.
If my recollection is correct, the etude #1 in volume I of the Rochut trombone books is actually Rochut rather than Bordogni.

Sorry forgot to mention that

Erin · Post by **Erin** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:23 pm

Quicksilvertuba wrote:
JB wrote:
Quicksilvertuba wrote: The new Bordogni is the three volumes of Rochut put together in the same order and spiral bound. Only all the exercises are down an octave.
If my recollection is correct, the etude #1 in volume I of the Rochut trombone books is actually Rochut rather than Bordogni.
Sorry forgot to mention that

So... is the first etude in the book what most of us know as Rochut #2?

Quicksilvertuba · Post by **Quicksilvertuba** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:15 pm

Erin wrote:
Quicksilvertuba wrote:
JB wrote: If my recollection is correct, the etude #1 in volume I of the Rochut trombone books is actually Rochut rather than Bordogni.
Sorry forgot to mention that
So... is the first etude in the book what most of us know as Rochut #2?

No. In the new spiral bound version, #1 is not even seen in the Rochut (T-Bone) series. So what I should have said was that the only difference between the new version and the Rochut T-Bone versions (all 3 put together) is that they're all an octave lower and #1 is different. #2 to #120 are all the same.

JB · Post by JB » Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:22 pm

Quicksilvertuba wrote:
Erin wrote:
Quicksilvertuba wrote: Sorry forgot to mention that
So... is the first etude in the book what most of us know as Rochut #2?
No. In the new spiral bound version, #1 is not even seen in the Rochut (T-Bone) series. So what I should have said was that the only difference between the new version and the Rochut T-Bone versions (all 3 put together) is that they're all an octave lower and #1 is different. #2 to #120 are all the same.

Okay, I'll play along and keep this circle-dance going:

so what is #1?

Can you post a pdf copy (or something similar)?

Quicksilvertuba · Post by **Quicksilvertuba** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:40 pm

JB wrote:
Quicksilvertuba wrote:
Erin wrote: So... is the first etude in the book what most of us know as Rochut #2?
No. In the new spiral bound version, #1 is not even seen in the Rochut (T-Bone) series. So what I should have said was that the only difference between the new version and the Rochut T-Bone versions (all 3 put together) is that they're all an octave lower and #1 is different. #2 to #120 are all the same.
Okay, I'll play along and keep this circle-dance going: so what is #1?

Can you post a pdf copy (or something similar)?

Sorry can't do that...copyrights