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Ed Vinson · Post by **Ed Vinson** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:34 pm

I had Alan Baer make some modifications to my PT6P. I've had many repairmen work on my horn and Baer's work is by FAR the most meticulous and precise of all the work I've had done. He kept the silver plating perfect even where he used the toarch.

Baer rebuilt my 4th valve wrap so that I now have 8 inches of slide pull instead of the stock 4, extended the bottom of the 4th slide so when the top slide is all the way in, most everything is intune. He also extended my main tuning slide so that the bore gap is now in the correct position to make the horn play and center correctly.

Anyone interested in this conversion should contact Mr. Baer directly.
Enjoy,
ED

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MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:42 pm

maybe you'll actually be able to carry a tune now...

trseaman · Post by **trseaman** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:53 pm

MikeMason wrote:maybe you'll actually be able to carry a tune now...

Ed Vinson · Post by **Ed Vinson** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:53 pm

i can only pray!
maybe one day...

Steve Inman · Post by **Steve Inman** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:04 am

harold wrote:This post is a bit insulting to the repairs guys that you named. It should be edited for content.

It does seem to be a bit insensitive -- I would agree. If you intend to offer appropriate praise to the most recent repair work, that can be done without the comparison to the others. I'm familiar with the work of two of the "other guys" who have work examples that are "without peer" as well.

Cheers,

ASTuba · Post by **ASTuba** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:07 am

harold wrote:This post is a bit insulting to the repairs guys that you named. It should be edited for content.

Harold,

It shouldn't need to be edited. Let's look at this from the perspective of what was done to the tuba, and who worked on it.

Baer rebuilt my 4th valve wrap so that I now have 8 inches of slide pull instead of the stock 4, extended the bottom of the 4th slide so when the top slide is all the way in, most everything is intune. He also extended my main tuning slide so that the bore gap is now in the correct position to make the horn play and center correctly.

The repair techs in question were Jamie Hafner, Lee Stofer, and Matt Walters. I know each of them, and can make assessments based on my knowledge of their technical ability.

Lee and Jamie are great "nuts and bolts" repair guys. Meaning, they are great at dentwork, chemical cleans, mouthpiece repair/duplication/restoration, and preserving the integrity of an instrument. They're not people who do these type of "custom" work often.

Matt Walters is good at "nuts and bolts" and can also do the tweaks needed to make a good horn great, and a great horn even better. Also, Matt's ability to build custom tubas is fantastic. Given what Mr. Vinson had done, Matt would be able to do it, but it may have taken extra time, due to Matt's backlog of other projects/repairs.

Alan's a remarkable technician, I've had several instruments pass through my hands that I have been impressed with the repairs. It looks like another good job was done.

Ed is also Alan's student, if my memory is correct as well, allowing the ease of this repair to be done.

Just another perspective.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:58 am

I'll toss my $.02 in and say also that the 1st post could be reworded and still contain the joy at having a successful major rework while not casting anything anyone's way.

Certainly the reason I say that is that the people who were mentioned have a consistently good reputation from the people who deal with them.

Therefore, saying something like, "I've had work done by some of the top repair and restoration people in the field, but Allen's work is some of the most meticulous and precise of all the work I've that I've ever had done. He kept the silver plating perfect even where he used the torch, for example" would send the appropriate praise Mr. Baer's way without casting any possible aspersions.

ASTuba · Post by **ASTuba** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:12 pm

LV wrote:What a load of crap.

I don't know much about the other two, but Matt Walters is a master technician. He doesn't just do "tweaks" and repairs. He has a several year long wait to have him build custom tubas. People like Mike Lynch* send him their extremely rare, antique instruments for truly accurate restoration work. His knowledge base is pretty damned deep.

The work show is child's play compared to what Matt has done for me.

I think Ed Vinson's youthful exuberance for his teacher (who looks to have done fine work) is somewhat to be expected.

BTW, I use a PT6Ps. I also (as most do) place my main slide in a similar spot. Several times playing with overly excited Oblowers giving the "A", I was very happy to be able to push in. Other times, heat has been a factor. You've removed that flexibility from your system.

A similar "fix" can be achieved with sleeves inside the outer slide that can be easily removed in an "emergency".

I know my PT6Ps is a particularly great one, but I've never needed 8 inches of pull. Might be cool to have though.

TubeNet experts. They're great! Hire them while they're still in college or while they still have 15 minutes experience in any given area.

*with apologies

LV,

Where did I say Matt did only tweaks? Matt is the most respected technician I know and one of my truly great friends. I've learned so much from Matt in regards to repairs. I'm not trying to knock Matt at all.

I've never seen Matt's work on an antique instrument. I've seen the tubas he's built, they're amazing. He does tremendous work, but if he has a reputation, it's for tweaks/customizing instruments in a way that helps the instrument get better, not necessarily re-engineering a tuba.

Glad you've had a positive experience with Matt. All of mine have been great as well.

Ed Vinson · Post by **Ed Vinson** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:57 pm

was only my opinion!
i changed it...no harm done.
my appologies to all who found the post insulting.
my bad!!!

Tubadork · Post by **Tubadork** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:00 pm

Ed Vinson wrote: He also extended my main tuning slide so that the bore gap is now in the correct position to make the horn play and center correctly.

What does that mean? Is that a problem just on the piston horns?
Bill

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:16 pm

Ed Vinson wrote:i changed it...no harm done

Cool. 's what I'd've done. No harm, no foul!

Matt Walters · Post by **Matt Walters** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:19 pm

Ed,
Thanks for the pictures. Alan was describing that modification to me and I am glad to now see it with my own eyes. It looks like Alan did a very nice job.

The gap thing someone else asked about is true. A certain gap can affect the response and intonation of a horn. Like I said in a earlier post, Bach designes their trumpet to be played with the main tuning slide pulled out 3/8". Something happens when sound/air suddenly expands to the outside tube, then contracts back down to the inside tubing/knuckle diameter again.

Happy Holidays.

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