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Harvey Phillips did the definitve recording on a Crest LP.
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Art Hovey wrote:Harvey Phillips did the definitve recording on a Crest LP.
If only these were out on CD! Maybe someday.
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Art Hovey wrote:Harvey Phillips did the definitve recording on a Crest LP.
Yes, that recording is the standard.

IMHO, he slowed down too much at the end of the piece. That would have been appropriate for a more modern piece, but no self-respecting baroque performer would have done that - it would have been much more subtle.

I realize that no self-respecting baroque performer would have played it on tuba either, so maybe my "snobbery" is misplaced. I still like it better with a more subtle interpretation, though.
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Uncle Buck wrote:
Art Hovey wrote:Harvey Phillips did the definitve recording on a Crest LP.
Yes, that recording is the standard.

IMHO, he slowed down too much at the end of the piece. That would have been appropriate for a more modern piece, but no self-respecting baroque performer would have done that - it would have been much more subtle.

I realize that no self-respecting baroque performer would have played it on tuba either, so maybe my "snobbery" is misplaced. I still like it better with a more subtle interpretation, though.
Our idea of baroque performance practice is based solely on research of historical documents (ie there are no recordings from that era). Baroque performance practice seems to change periodically (no pun intended) based on whatever the new research of the day finds and based on whatever baroque "experts" happen to write and/or record (these experts are sometimes self-appointed). You are right that slowing down at the end of the Bourree does not jive with today's common notion of baroque performance practice (although one could probably dig up some valid historical reason for slowing down dramatically).
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Ron Davis, who recorded the tuba installment in the SoloPro series released some 15-20 years ago by Summit Records, recorded this, along w/several other staple contest works. If I'm not mistaken, Theodor Lichtmann was the pianist for this recording, as well as the other (tpt, horn and tbn) recordings in this series. It doesn't appear as though this particular recording is currently available on the Summit Records website, but I don't know why. Perhaps an e-mail to Ron w/yield more info.
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I wrote a grant for another CD project that was recently approved. The nature of the project is to record the standard intermediate rep that a typical college freshman/ commited high school player would play. I will do the entire project on the big tuba, since that is the weapon of choice for most of this audience.

The program looks like this:

Bach- Air and Bouree
Haddad- Suite for Tuba
Hartley- Suite for Unaccompanied Tuba
Marcello- Sonata in F
Capuzzi- Andante and Allegro
Bencriscutto- Concertino for Tuba
Lebedev- Concerto in One Movement
Vaughan Williams- Six Studies in English Folksong

While there is certainly nothing "bleeding edge" about this project, I hope that it will be a convenient resource for the developing player. The plan is to record in May and distribute by the end of the summer.

If there are any proposed substitutions for "standard lit" for this demographic, I'm all ears!!

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I wish that was available when I was in High School. I remember the first time I heard the Vaughan Williams Six Studies in English Folksong. Man I still love those pieces.

I hope this CD comes out I think it will be a great asset for teachers of High School and beginning college students.

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What about Lento by Paul Holmes? I don't think it's been recorded since Robert LeBlanc (or was it Rex Connor?) laid it down for his LP bk in the 70's. Yet, it seems to be standard faire, at least in central TX. Steve Bryant would be a good source for suggestions, as he's been judging the UIL TX state solo and ens contest/festival for tuba (4A and 5A schools) for as long as most of us can remember. It's great to hear abt the forthcoming CD!
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Uncle Buck wrote: IMHO, he slowed down too much at the end of the piece. That would have been appropriate for a more modern piece, but no self-respecting baroque performer would have done that - it would have been much more subtle.
I realize that no self-respecting baroque performer would have played it on tuba either, so maybe my "snobbery" is misplaced. I still like it better with a more subtle interpretation, though.
And, the original violin piece is unaccompanied (although NOT what is indicated in the arrangement). The Bell arrangement leaves out a structurally formically important repeat as well, important in terms of the Bouree' at least (Golden Proportion etc)
I usually take all sorts of liberties with tempo variance throughout both sections. Dynamics, too. We're not singing Chorales, or playing a violin partita, we're playing a tuba arrangement.

So, yes, in my mind the snobbery is a bit misplaced! :wink: But, what a wonderful piece of music!!!
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Gravid wrote:What about Lento by Paul Holmes? I don't think it's been recorded since Robert LeBlanc (or was it Rex Connor?) laid it down for his LP bk in the 70's. Yet, it seems to be standard faire, at least in central TX. Steve Bryant would be a good source for suggestions, as he's been judging the UIL TX state solo and ens contest/festival for tuba (4A and 5A schools) for as long as most of us can remember. It's great to hear abt the forthcoming CD!
It was Robert LeBlanc. But I didn't realize that it was commonly played in Texas--I'd never heard of it until I found it in the UT music library (I even found that LP there), so maybe it's a UT thing, and maybe an Austin thing. It was not a Houston thing. I suspect that the Lento is not quite up to contest material for a serious high-school senior or college freshman, as David is targeting. Its difficult is not the usual thing that impresses contest judges, or so it would seem.

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David Zerkel wrote:I wrote a grant for another CD project that was recently approved. The nature of the project is to record the standard intermediate rep that a typical college freshman/ commited high school player would play.
Put me down for it.

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David Zerkel wrote:I wrote a grant for another CD project that was recently approved. The nature of the project is to record the standard intermediate rep that a typical college freshman/ commited high school player would play. I will do the entire project on the big tuba, since that is the weapon of choice for most of this audience.

The program looks like this:

Bach- Air and Bouree
Haddad- Suite for Tuba
Hartley- Suite for Unaccompanied Tuba
Marcello- Sonata in F
Capuzzi- Andante and Allegro
Bencriscutto- Concertino for Tuba
Lebedev- Concerto in One Movement
Vaughan Williams- Six Studies in English Folksong

While there is certainly nothing "bleeding edge" about this project, I hope that it will be a convenient resource for the developing player. The plan is to record in May and distribute by the end of the summer.

If there are any proposed substitutions for "standard lit" for this demographic, I'm all ears!!

Best,
Dave
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David Zerkel wrote:I wrote a grant for another CD project that was recently approved. The nature of the project is to record the standard intermediate rep that a typical college freshman/ commited high school player would play. I will do the entire project on the big tuba, since that is the weapon of choice for most of this audience.

The program looks like this:

Bach- Air and Bouree
Haddad- Suite for Tuba
Hartley- Suite for Unaccompanied Tuba
Marcello- Sonata in F
Capuzzi- Andante and Allegro
Bencriscutto- Concertino for Tuba
Lebedev- Concerto in One Movement
Vaughan Williams- Six Studies in English Folksong

While there is certainly nothing "bleeding edge" about this project, I hope that it will be a convenient resource for the developing player. The plan is to record in May and distribute by the end of the summer.

If there are any proposed substitutions for "standard lit" for this demographic, I'm all ears!!

Best,
Dave
Damn, I was working on exactly that same project for my own solo CD. Looks like I'll be going in a different direction...

BTW, a couple of pieces that I was considering that aren't are your list include: Second Sonatina-Presser, Judas Maccabeus Variations-Beethoven/Bell, my own transcription of the Gabrelli Ricercar (too many problems with the Morris transcription IMHO), and a Rochut with piano accompaniment. Good luck, Dave!
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Scott Watson indicated that he was also contemplating a similar project.
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