Caling all who own(ed) a PT-6

WakinAZ · Post by **WakinAZ** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:37 pm

Getzeng50s wrote:But i cant for the life of me find out a damn thing about this B&S 18, except for I sound good on this pt6 with it. and it looks similar to the bach 18.

Is indeed a Bach 18 knockoff. This seems to be a generic mp included with some of the B&S/VMI horns. When I purchased a VMI 3301 a few years back it came with this mp. Surprising they include it with their premium PT line horns - for what you pay they should match it to a PT mp.

Arkietuba · Post by **Arkietuba** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:24 pm

Michael Woods wrote:I put a euro shank alan baer in my pt6 and it barely fit.

MW215588

I don't think this guy can be real. All the different horns he's had, not to mention some of the absolutely retarded posts.

Forgive the thread jack, maybe I will start a new topic in the off-topic section to discuss MW215588 validity.

How 'bout you get to know MW215588 before you make assumptions about him? Look at the horns and mps he has now...he does own them. I go to school with him and he's one of the coolest tuba players that I've met.

This is one of the main reasons I don't post too much on here b/c people like this (Michael Woods) ruin it for everyone. If you so much as state an opinion that one of these guys doesn't agree with it apparently is invalid, stuipid, or retarded. Grow up and don't just assume things (you know what happens when you assume...)

horto008 · Post by **horto008** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:42 pm

I use a PT50+ ...I tried the 88 for a while, but I felt the 50 was closer to the sound I was looking for.

tubaguy9 · Post by **tubaguy9** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:03 pm

Arkietuba wrote:
Michael Woods wrote:I put a euro shank alan baer in my pt6 and it barely fit.

MW215588

I don't think this guy can be real. All the different horns he's had, not to mention some of the absolutely retarded posts.

Forgive the thread jack, maybe I will start a new topic in the off-topic section to discuss MW215588 validity.
How 'bout you get to know MW215588 before you make assumptions about him? Look at the horns and mps he has now...he does own them. I go to school with him and he's one of the coolest tuba players that I've met.

This is one of the main reasons I don't post too much on here b/c people like this (Michael Woods) ruin it for everyone. If you so much as state an opinion that one of these guys doesn't agree with it apparently is invalid, stuipid, or retarded. Grow up and don't just assume things (you know what happens when you assume...)

He said forgive him...I've seen some of his posts, and do agree that some of them are almost hippocritical. So, all in all, forgive him, and read Doc's Rules for Newbies...

Arkietuba · Post by **Arkietuba** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:59 am

I understand that some people use sarcasm and humor in their post and people don't mean most of what they say...it's just really hard to detect it when you can't hear the tone of their voice. Oh, and I don't know if you were calling me a "newbie"...but I've been on here for 2+ years...definately not a newbie.

The main reason I called him out on it is that this has been an ongoing problem (not just him but others). People attacking MW215588 simply b/c they only see what horns he has listed and other things that have nothing to do with him as a person. It's ridiculous that I'm the only person who stands up for him on the BBS....people should have more tact than to make accusations about other's opinions when they are just upset b/c "there's no way you can own all of those horns"...look at what he has listed right now as his horns/mp...he DOES own them, so get off of his back. Yeah, he's a good friend of mine and I'll stick by his side...but get to know the guy before you attack him...he's a really intelligent guy (one of the most intelligent incoming music students here at UCA and that's saying a lot).

Onebaplayer · Post by **Onebaplayer** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:58 pm

hmm.. for the sake of relevance to the topic.. PT-50+ on a 2006 PT-6. On my first PT-6 the mouthpiece sat in about 1/8th of an inch farther (still use same mpc, has scuff marks)

sc_curtis · Post by **sc_curtis** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:26 pm

Arkietuba wrote:I understand that some people use sarcasm and humor in their post and people don't mean most of what they say...it's just really hard to detect it when you can't hear the tone of their voice. Oh, and I don't know if you were calling me a "newbie"...but I've been on here for 2+ years...definately not a newbie.

The main reason I called him out on it is that this has been an ongoing problem (not just him but others). People attacking MW215588 simply b/c they only see what horns he has listed and other things that have nothing to do with him as a person. It's ridiculous that I'm the only person who stands up for him on the BBS....people should have more tact than to make accusations about other's opinions when they are just upset b/c "there's no way you can own all of those horns"...look at what he has listed right now as his horns/mp...he DOES own them, so get off of his back. Yeah, he's a good friend of mine and I'll stick by his side...but get to know the guy before you attack him...he's a really intelligent guy (one of the most intelligent incoming music students here at UCA and that's saying a lot).

For you and everyone else who likes to hijack threads with absolutely no relevance to the OP: Private Message, please

RyanSchultz · Post by **RyanSchultz** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:12 am

Laskey 30H

Arkietuba · Post by **Arkietuba** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:14 pm

sc_curtis wrote:
For you and everyone else who likes to hijack threads with absolutely no relevance to the OP: Private Message, please

I wasn't trying to hijack the thread...I was sticking up for a good friend of mine and pointing out an ongoing problem for everyone to see (hence not private messaging): talking trash about people w/out knowing the person. Sorry for trying to do something good...damn...

ASTuba · Post by **ASTuba** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:24 pm

I've been following along on this thread, and this "discussion" (If I should even call it that) over the receiver size on a PT-6 is crazy...

Simple answer is that the original PT-6's had a European shank receiver on them. When the PT line of mouthpieces came out through Custom, they changed it to an American size receiver, that the mouthpiece sits further into, creating a similar gap to the European gap from before. Yes, you can put a Euro shank mouthpiece into a PT if you want a different gap than the standard on an American shank.

Now, enough BS and arguing.

ASTuba · Post by **ASTuba** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:05 pm

MW215588 wrote:
ASTuba wrote:I've been following along on this thread, and this "discussion" (If I should even call it that) over the receiver size on a PT-6 is crazy...

Simple answer is that the original PT-6's had a European shank receiver on them. When the PT line of mouthpieces came out through Custom, they changed it to an American size receiver, that the mouthpiece sits further into, creating a similar gap to the European gap from before. Yes, you can put a Euro shank mouthpiece into a PT if you want a different gap than the standard on an American shank.

Now, enough BS and arguing.
Yea but...the pt6 still has a euro reciever. Thats not saying yuo cant put standard mouthpiece in there, its just saying for better intonation and such, use a euro. Thus hence if you place a helleberg into a pt6, it sits deep a lil too deep.

Incorrect. I talked to Jeffrey Rideout, and this information is straight from his mouth. PT mouthpieces are made with a slightly larger shank than American, but not European. I've had to modify several of these receivers to accept European and/or American mouthpieces in the appropriate spot.

quinterbourne · Post by **quinterbourne** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:57 am

ASTuba wrote:PT mouthpieces are made with a slightly larger shank than American, but not European. I've had to modify several of these receivers to accept European and/or American mouthpieces in the appropriate spot.

Very true. The Perantucci mouthpieces do have larger shanks than your standard Helleberg, yet smaller than the Euro shank. A Perantucci mouthpiece is the perfect fit for a PT-6. For a PT-6, a Helleberg equivalent shank will be a little small (will sit a bit too far in) while a Euro shank will be a little too small (will sit a bit too far out). That being said, either would work OK and I don't see how either would be preferred over the other...

quinterbourne · Post by **quinterbourne** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:02 am

MW215588 wrote:the pt6 has a euro reciever period. Just take a look at the difference between a regular standard shank mouthpiece and a pt mouthpiece. Doesn't look slightly larger to me.

No, it is not a Euro receiver and it is not an American receiver. It is a Perantucci receiver!

I have a Perantucci mouthpiece right in front of me and the shank is larger than this Canadian Brass Chuck D mouthpiece I have right beside it. When I stick the PT in the horn, it doesn't go in nearly as far as the Canadian Brass.

MW215588 wrote:So what, the euro shank is slightly larger than the slightly larger version of a american shank

Yes, pretty much.

ASTuba · Post by **ASTuba** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:58 am

quinterbourne wrote:
ASTuba wrote:PT mouthpieces are made with a slightly larger shank than American, but not European. I've had to modify several of these receivers to accept European and/or American mouthpieces in the appropriate spot.
Very true. The Perantucci mouthpieces do have larger shanks than your standard Helleberg, yet smaller than the Euro shank. A Perantucci mouthpiece is the perfect fit for a PT-6. For a PT-6, a Helleberg equivalent shank will be a little small (will sit a bit too far in) while a Euro shank will be a little too small (will sit a bit too far out). That being said, either would work OK and I don't see how either would be preferred over the other...

It's all about gap my friend. If you use an American shank mouthpiece, the gap will be less, and you will have a different feel and ease of slurring than you would with more gap (Euro sank).

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:29 am

I wonder if maybe euro and American are not an exact size,but vary with manufacturer.The g&w euro i've got goes in the same distance into my holton as a pt50.Could be that there is no definitive euro or American size...

ASTuba · Post by **ASTuba** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:04 am

MikeMason wrote:I wonder if maybe euro and American are not an exact size,but vary with manufacturer.The g&w euro i've got goes in the same distance into my holton as a pt50.Could be that there is no definitive euro or American size...

That's a big part of it. There are no standards of anything with shank size. I've noticed that the G&W Euro shanks aren't as large as my Sidey SSH euro shank or on other Euro shank mouthpieces I've seen. Truly, it's all an inexact science.

David Zerkel · Post by **David Zerkel** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:13 am

Here's how much thought I put into my mouthpiece selection for my PT6:

Several years ago, a businessman gave me a copy of a mouthpiece to try that he was including with his student line instruments. It felt and sounded better than the mouthpiece that I was on at the time, so I played it for while and liked it. At the time, I did not play a PT6. When I bought my 6, I plugged said mouthpiece into the instrument and played. It made a nice sound. I kept it.

With all due respect to the industry, I think that the very moment you begin to dissect the fine differences between mouthpieces and tubas is the precise moment that you take your eyes off the prize. People do not want to hear what your mouthpiece has to say. They don't want to hear what your instrument has to say. They want to hear what YOU have to say.

Might I sound different if I tried to find the "perfect" mouthpiece for my PT6? Probably. But I'll bet that I would still sound like me, which is what I've spent all of these years in the practice room trying to do. There may very well be an equipment fix for every problem that exists, but I'd rather roll up my sleeves and work through the problem in the practice room, rather than spending X-hundred dollars to hope to find the answer.

Sorry if this ruffles some feathers...
Dave
PT6P- Marcinkiewicz Rose Model

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:48 pm

David Zerkel wrote:With all due respect to the industry, I think that the very moment you begin to dissect the fine differences between mouthpieces and tubas is the precise moment that you take your eyes off the prize. People do not want to hear what your mouthpiece has to say. They don't want to hear what your instrument has to say. They want to hear what YOU have to say.

I am at present trying out a PT-88+ which I thought would be ideal for playing Prokofiev 5 on my Neptune. I was practising this afternoon and thought, this is starting to sound great! - Then I realized I did not have the PT-88+ in my Neptune, but my regular smaller PT-90.

If I had been playing in the concert, I am sure no-one would have known the difference. Yes it is YOUR sound which matters - not the mouthpiece.

Jonathan "who is coming to the conclusion that the best thing is to find a mouthpiece you like - then stick with it"