Another t-bone question re: valve bones

[Captain Sousie]

First of all, the story starts with a stupid student shoving paper into a trombone slide and the stupid parent kindly removing the paper with a power drill. It ends with the trombone bell intact and the slide turning into a $150 donation to the school band budget.

There is a surplus of slide bones at the school but a dearth of valve bones at the school. So, I was wondering if the bell of a Reynolds trombone can be fitted to the valve section of a valve bone. If so, where can I get a spare valve section (complete) and how can I install it?

Thanks,
Sou

[Captain Sousie]

Thanks. I will keep an eye out for one of the California Olds valve sections or whole trombone (never know what you might run into as I found my Bach trombone for 5 bucks at a garage sale). It might be a good one for me when I have some spare cash as I just can't seem to get the whole slide thing down.

Thanks again,
Sou

[Captain Sousie]

Next question. Is there such a thing as a large bore valve trombone and/or a 4 valve trombone? It sounds like an interesting possibility.

Sou

[Captain Sousie]

http://www.cerveny.biz/ventilposaune/cvt_576_4.php
This interests me.

Me too. I might have to find one somewhere to try.

Sou

[Chuck(G)]

Several years ago, I took a Conn 88H bell section, some .547" bore slides, and a Blessing c. .55X" (??) bore marching baritone valve section, taped everything together temporarily, and ended up with something that played remarkably well.

Joe, how does that differ from a Conn 90G?

[windshieldbug]

I don't know about the f-attachment; most guys hold their valve 'bones like a trumpet (left hand around the valve cluster). Maybe a fourth valve would be more practical?

I've got a 1896 4-valve Besson "bass" bone (with typically period pea-shooter bore). The 4 valves are in-line, and it's really awkward to use the 4th with your little finger. But yes, you want to hold it (because of the weight distribution) like a big trumpet. I'd think the best soution for a 4-valver would be to to use 3 pistons and to adapt the trigger to work from someplace more convenient.

[Captain Sousie]

For a fourth piston you could always use the picc. trumpet player trick of playing the fourth valve with your left-hand index finger. Other than that, a trigger extension such as the second rotor spatula off of a Bach bass trombone might be useable.

[windshieldbug]

For a fourth piston you could always use the picc. trumpet player trick of playing the fourth valve with your left-hand index finger

It's a pretty wide valve set on a trombone. You'd have to put a pinky ring on the mouthpipe to help you hold up the sucker with the right; and with the "typical" trombone look, you've got a lot to balance, too.

Later on, they offset the 4th valve 1/2 valve down to help with exactly what you're suggesting.

[corbasse]

Next question. Is there such a thing as a large bore valve trombone and/or a 4 valve trombone? It sounds like an interesting possibility.

Sou

I saw an old 4 valve rotary trombone on the big summer flea market here in town last year, as well as a 3 Vienna valve one. Unfortunately the market was both at the end of the month and summer vacation

[tubaguy9]

Several years ago, I took a Conn 88H bell section, some .547" bore slides, and a Blessing c. .55X" (??) bore marching baritone valve section, taped everything together temporarily, and ended up with something that played remarkably well.

Joe, how does that differ from a Conn 90G?

When completed

- It will have an F-attachment.
- It will be in the shape of a trombone (important, if being hired to go play "trombone" at some church orchestra gig).
- It will have at LEAST a 5-position and hopefully a 7-position playing slide (that can be unlocked and used when a slide is absolutely called for).

I've worked out how to do it in my head...but it gave me a headache.

That sounds like a Superbone with a F-attachment...

[ArnoldGottlieb]

I know of at least 1 King 4 piston valve trombone in the key of C. It was made in the late 40's or 50's for Juan Tizol, and when he left the band, the guy who took over his chair, took over the horn. The person who took the horn and chair believes there were 2 identical horns. The one I played was as amazing as a horn can be. I don't think it's for sale though.....
Peace
ASG

[windshieldbug]

[prototypedenNIS]

A California-made pre-1980 F. E. Olds valve section (arguably the very best small bore American-made valve trombone ever made) should fit a run-of-the-mill pre-1980 Reynolds student bell section without alteration...but good luck finding a "spare" Olds valve section.

I have a Reynolds Vbone... damn near impossible to replace. Absolutely amazing.

[windshieldbug]

who wants to plop down 5 grand to constantly get the hand

Just play tuba the way it SHOULD be played...

[iiipopes]

Joe, how does that differ from a Conn 90G?

When completed

- It will have an F-attachment.
- It will be in the shape of a trombone (important, if being hired to go play "trombone" at some church orchestra gig).
- It will have at LEAST a 5-position and hopefully a 7-position playing slide (that can be unlocked and used when a slide is absolutely called for).

I've worked out how to do it in my head...but it gave me a headache.

That sounds like a Superbone with a F-attachment...

Actually, it could probably outplay any cimbasso made.