Dependent 5th valve?

MartyNeilan · Post by **MartyNeilan** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:26 pm

The quint valve is a perfect 5th, hence the name quint; it lowers the open pitch from F to a Bb. It is fully independent. The flat half step valve is the left hand valve above the 1st valve; the quint valve is the valve on the other side of the tuning slide. Both serve very different but useful purposes and can be used alone or together.

bort · Post by **bort** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:20 pm

Maybe I missed it in this...but what are the real advantages?

Or, is this just another "it doesn't matter, do what suits you best" topic like BBb/CC, lacquer/silver, etc/etc...

Cameron Gates · Post by **Cameron Gates** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:06 pm

bort wrote:Maybe I missed it in this...but what are the real advantages?

Or, is this just another "it doesn't matter, do what suits you best" topic like BBb/CC, lacquer/silver, etc/etc...

Real advantages? The only one I can think of is one less bump/restriction/moving part in the airstream of 95% of the notes that are played.

I was skeptical about the set up due to the fact that the 5th valve tubing is the same bore size as the 4th. On all my other horns the 5th is larger, and in my pea-sized brain that means low F, Eb, D and Db are more open. Right? NOT. I really can not tell any difference. It is not any more "stuffy" than my other horns in that register. Plus it looks cool. THAT is the most important thing.

I just have to remember to play Db 2&4. Playing Db 23 and FIVE on this horn in a Db chord is not something to be proud of. Thank goodness for semi-hip section mates

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bort · Post by **bort** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:32 pm

Cameron Gates wrote:Plus it looks cool. THAT is the most important thing.

Sweet, as long as it looks badass.

Seriously though, thanks for the info.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:14 pm

ZNC Dandy wrote:The Melton 198 Walter Hilgers Model, or ex-Walter Hilgers model, has this set up

So does the 195 'Fafner' in its 5 valve form with the 5th valve within the 4th valve tubing. I understand, that is the only way Melton/Meinl-Weston found they could add a 5th valve, without adversely effecting its playing characteristics otherwise.