Rachmanninov Symphony No.3

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:15 pm

Does anyone have a copy of the tuba part for Rachmanninov Symphony No.3 they would be prepared to send me for practice purposes?

Otherwise, if you have played it, can you give me any insights into the part?

Thanks.

Jonathan

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:49 pm

Luck's has 30 pages of the score online: http://65.23.157.59/pdf/12084.pdf

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:57 pm

Had forgotten about the Alto Trumpet in F part. Talk about instruments not in general use anymore. Anyone seen my Heckelphone?

Chuck"who figures someone out there owns one, plays it, and will talk your ear off for 45 minutes about the sanctity of it and why composers are so mislead as to not write for it"Jackson

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:10 pm

wchoc86 wrote:
Mark wrote:Luck's has 30 pages of the score online: http://65.23.157.59/pdf/12084.pdf
Does that score have the tympani tuned to D, E... and H?

or am i just blind.

Isn't H the German version of Bb?

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:25 pm

Thanks! From the first 30 pages it does not look quite as interesting as Rach 2, but still enough to do

Another even more obscure work I am searching for info on is Walton Variations on a theme by Hindemith - one I have never even heard of before - anyone played that?

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:27 pm

Mark wrote:Isn't H the German version of Bb?

I think:

German B = Bb
German H = B

Matt Good · Post by **Matt Good** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:48 pm

I have played this symphony twice and IMO, it is a real dog of a piece. The coda section in the last movement has a few good momements for the low brass but it's not really worth sitting through the previous 38 minutes.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:29 pm

Neptune wrote:
Mark wrote:Isn't H the German version of Bb?
I think:

German B = Bb
German H = B

You're correct.

MichaelDenney · Post by **MichaelDenney** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:07 pm

Our French horns played F trumpets for marching season during the Bill Swor era at LSU (the '60s and '70s). They provided a massive warm center to the sound that was characteristic of Uncle Bill. I believe they were made by Bach.

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:32 pm

MichaelDenney wrote:Our French horns played F trumpets for marching season during the Bill Swor era at LSU (the '60s and '70s). They provided a massive warm center to the sound that was characteristic of Uncle Bill. I believe they were made by Bach.

Ah, used in a marching situation. Now that gives the instrument INSTANT credibility

Chuck" tounge SOMEWHAT planted SOMEWHAT firmly in cheek"Jackson

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:03 am

Well Joe, that just creedence the the number one axiom in all marketing situations; "The Masses are Asses".

Chuck"no tounges"Jackson

sc_curtis · Post by **sc_curtis** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:57 am

bloke wrote:I wonder which group of musical ensembles receives more public and private monetary subsidies, and which group of musical ensembles realizes more audience attendance:

"seated"

...or...

"marching"

...???

This does not, in any way, legitimize marching band.

Chuck Jackson wrote:"The Masses are Asses".

Absolutely.

sc_curtis · Post by **sc_curtis** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:24 pm

Bob1062 wrote:...this attitude doesn't help anyone.

I am not trying to help anyone, just merely expressing my opinion. It is okay to disagree with the vulgar masses from time to time. My opinion of marching band will remain the same as it has always been, no matter how much attention and money it receives.

Biggs · Post by **Biggs** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:25 pm

sc_curtis wrote:
This does not, in any way, legitimize marching band.

Marching band doesn't need to be legitimized; it is already a perfectly acceptable and widely-appreciated activity.

Marching band, at the collegiate level, is not, however, a musical activity. I enjoy marching band for social reasons. Per my major, I get graded on playing music that is required of me. What I choose to do for fun is something altogether different.

sc_curtis · Post by **sc_curtis** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:36 pm

Biggs wrote:Marching band doesn't need to be legitimized...

You are correct. I should have said, "This does not, in any way, legitimize marching band as a means for musical integrity or enlightenment FOR ME." My bad.

If ya love it, then why do you care what I think anyways? Just do what you love and be happy.

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:42 pm

I meant no disrespect to anyone who loves marching bands. Hell, the DCI Championships are on ESPN, so somebody must like them. I don't, but you may. Marching was an intergral part of my life for 8 years and nothing thrills me more than seeing a military band plying their stock in trade. Four square and tight corners are MY idea of marching. What is going on in the marching world outside of the military holds no appeal to ME. As for the F Alto Trumpet? Everyone needs a hobby and God Bless America for providing a venue for those less fortunate:)

Chuck

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:43 pm

Bob1062 wrote:
sc_curtis wrote:
Chuck Jackson wrote:"The Masses are Asses".
Absolutely.

Perhaps but on the other hand, this attitude doesn't help anyone.

Maybe not, but corporate America thinks otherwise.

Eupher6 · Post by **Eupher6** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:56 pm

Chuck Jackson wrote:
Bob1062 wrote:
sc_curtis wrote: Absolutely.

Perhaps but on the other hand, this attitude doesn't help anyone.
Maybe not, but corporate America thinks otherwise.

Hmmm. I think you mean the part of corporate America that is truly interested in marching band. The flag makers, uniform makers, and alto trumpet in F makers. There might be one or two others.

Allen "when I retired from the Army band system I retired from marching" Lawless

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:00 pm

Eupher6 wrote:
Chuck Jackson wrote:
Bob1062 wrote:

Perhaps but on the other hand, this attitude doesn't help anyone.
Maybe not, but corporate America thinks otherwise.
Hmmm. I think you mean the part of corporate America that is truly interested in marching band. The flag makers, uniform makers, and alto trumpet in F makers. There might be one or two others.

Allen "when I retired from the Army band system I retired from marching" Lawless

My point exactly.

Chuck"who hasn't stepped in time to anything since leaving Uncle Sam's Happy Camping Club in 1996"Jackson

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:01 pm

It never fails to amazing me how far threads can drift from the original subject. Rachmanninov to Marching bands

Incidentally, I have now got the Rach 3 part

Jonathan "who thinks tubists are a great community"