The English Tuba

[Chadtuba]

Does anybody know where I can get a copy of this? I've googled, checked amazon, barnes & noble, and a few other places and can't seem to find a copy for sale. I had a copy years ago and it seems to have walked away.
Thanks.

[Mark]

I have a copy of it, PM me. I have no clue how to transfer it over anything but aim

I hope you aren't suggesting a violation of the copyright laws. I consider myself a friend of Gene Dowling and I think he deserves all the royalties he can get.

[BVD Press]

If you have a college library nearby, check and see if it is in their stacks. I believe that was the first time I heard the recording. It sure would be nice to have it available once again!

[a2ba4u]

I hope you aren't suggesting a violation of the copyright laws. I consider myself a friend of Gene Dowling and I think he deserves all the royalties he can get.

Mark--

I truly do not want to start an unrelated flame contest on this thread, but I think that your comment brings up a significant issue.

IF the original poster actually did obtain a copy of the CD through some type of electronic transfer, what exactly is wrong with that given the current situation. Note the actual question. It would clearly be illegal, but why would it be wrong? I say that it isn't wrong.

First, Mr. Dowling DOES deserve all of the royalties he can get for the album; however, I fail to see how Mr. Dowling is being cheated out of his rightful royalties if the album isn't in print anymore (as was suggested by another poster) or available for purchase through many of the standard channels. If there is no product available for purchase, Mr. Dowling can't make any money from the sales of it.

Secondly, according to the facts as described, the original poster DID at one time have a legal copy of the album. This means that the poster DID pay Mr. Dowling the royalties owed because he purchased what we assume was a legitimate product from a legitimate source. What is the functional difference between the original poster getting a replacement copy through some "illegal" means and the poster, while cleaning out his garage, coming across his missing copy next week? If we are talking royalties, the answer to the question is "nothing." Also, our copyright laws, as fractured, dated, and unhelpful as they are, DO include some provisions for archival copying of certain materials under certain circumstances because things do get lost, damaged, out of print, etc.

If only one of these two facts were present in this situation (or if the CD is rereleased sometime in the future), I would say that the original poster should have to pony up the cash for a new copy of the CD, but, as things stand, I don't see how replacing the CD with an "illegal" copy actually harms any of the parties involved. Nobody is losing any money on the transaction because there is no way for money to be made.

Again, Mark, I only intend my comments to be a cordial disagreement with your assessment of the situation. I'm a big proponent of copyright law reform because I don't feel that it protects twenty-first century users OR creators adequately. I mean no offense or disrespect.

Let the flames begin.

Kyle

[windshieldbug]

[BVD Press]

If

his album might get reissued soon.

then it would not only be illegal, but quite wrong to copy or obtain it without actually waiting purchasing the album.

If this is not the case, I can see your point but as you state it would still be illegal.

IMHO, in the world of digital there is no reason why a CD or print music should ever have to go out of production or print.

Let's all hope the CD does come back because it is quite good!

[BVD Press]

Gene told me he's looking at around New Year's for the re release. Be patient.

Ken F.

Do you know if he plans to release it or have it go through a label? Generically speaking, these things almost always get delayed. I know I am almost a whole year behind on the charts I promised to get out!

[Mark]

Gene told me he's looking at around New Year's for the re release. Be patient.

Ken F.

Do you know if he plans to release it or have it go through a label? Generically speaking, these things almost always get delayed. I know I am almost a whole year behind on the charts I promised to get out!

As I remember it, Gene told me that he now has ownership of the original master tapes. I also believe he said the old label had no inteterst in reissuing it.

[Chadtuba]

Thank you all for the information. Basically all I need is a good recording of the Jacob Suite and the VW Concerto. Is there another CD out there that has both pieces on it?

[ZNC Dandy]

Thank you all for the information. Basically all I need is a good recording of the Jacob Suite and the VW Concerto. Is there another CD out there that has both pieces on it?

Send me a PM. If you want mine its all yours.

[jtuba]

Thank you all for the information. Basically all I need is a good recording of the Jacob Suite and the VW Concerto. Is there another CD out there that has both pieces on it?

The Jacob Suite is on the Oystein Baadsvik's CD Danza. The VW can be found on many recordings CDs. You may sometimes have to buy different CDs to get the recordings you need.

[Kory101]

This album HAS been re-issued under the lable Tromba Bassa. I am a student of Gene's and will try and get information for all those interested in purchasing it.

[Chadtuba]

This album HAS been re-issued under the lable Tromba Bassa. I am a student of Gene's and will try and get information for all those interested in purchasing it.

Thanks for the info Kory. I look forward to getting a copy of my own again. I'll try not to loan this one out when I get it

[bill]

I bought my Second copy of this CD, The English Tuba, on July 13, at the Harvey Phillips Northwest Big Brass bash, in Bellevue, Washington from Gene Dowling, a long time acquaintance of mine. He has them for sale and the CD has been reissued. When he taught at The University of Victoria, in Victoria, BC, Canada, his e-mail address was: edowling@uvic.ca" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank . You can go to: http://www.answers.com/topic/the-english-tuba and purchase a copy, now, if you would like to have it without a library loan. If you are an ITEA member, he is probably in the Roster, published annually. He lives in Victoria, BC, Canada, and you can probably get his phone number from on-line 411 or from your own phone company, for a small charge.

[J.c. Sherman]

It is truly amazing to me how viciously and vociferously people who want free music defend their positions, even calling themselves right, and the law-abiding stupid, or the laws wrong, or the snails are undercooked...

I cannot fathom this. Theft is theft; the ease of committing it doesn't make it right. If you wouldn't walk into a borders, grab a CD and walk out without paying, then you have no right to obtain it in any other surreptitious manner either. Gene is a wonderful musician, and to do ANYthing to offer his efforts to others for free is illegal and QUITE immoral at a 10-commandments level.

For a great article on this, check this out. He made a convert out of me!

http://www.yeodoug.com/resources/faq/fa ... right.html" target="_blank

Can't say it any better than that...

J.c.S.

[Rick Denney]

On the general subject of the morals of copying music or recordings no longer in print (as opposed to the morals of violating the law per se, which has already been covered):

What the unauthorized copying does is depress demand for legitimate copies, which in turn reduces or eliminates any motivation the copyright holder might have to go to the expense of reissuing it. Mr. Dowling may need, say, 100 people to buy the CD before he covers his costs in having a batch produced. If 75 of those people (or even 5 of those people) have copies, they won't be motivated to buy a legitimate copy when it becomes available. All Mr. Dowling has to do is assume that this is the case and he may decide not to reissue it. He is deprived of his legitimate market, and we are deprived of legitimate copies.

That's why it's wrong. And that's also why it's illegal.

("We" means "you guys"--I own a legit copy of this CD, and would hate to see it lost forever because of infringement.)

I'm not accusing anyone of anything--too little information to know anyone's intentions here. All I'm doing is explaining my response to the moral question that was posed.

Rick "wondering what has been lost because of the copy culture" Denney

[cjk]

I've always found it terribly ironic that many musicians have no problem pirating music (whether it's printed or recorded) while that very practice deprives income from someone just like themselves.

[J.c. Sherman]

What the unauthorized copying does is depress demand for legitimate copies, which in turn reduces or eliminates any motivation the copyright holder might have to go to the expense of reissuing it. Mr. Dowling may need, say, 100 people to buy the CD before he covers his costs in having a batch produced. If 75 of those people (or even 5 of those people) have copies, they won't be motivated to buy a legitimate copy when it becomes available. All Mr. Dowling has to do is assume that this is the case and he may decide not to reissue it. He is deprived of his legitimate market, and we are deprived of legitimate copies.

That's why it's wrong. And that's also why it's illegal.

("We" means "you guys"--I own a legit copy of this CD, and would hate to see it lost forever because of infringement.)

I'm not accusing anyone of anything--too little information to know anyone's intentions here. All I'm doing is explaining my response to the moral question that was posed.

Rick "wondering what has been lost because of the copy culture" Denney

Here here... And I too own and love this recording - how often do you get to hear the little C French Tuba?

J.c.

[bill]

Rick Denny Wrote:

On the general subject of the morals of copying music or recordings no longer in print (as opposed to the morals of violating the law per se, which has already been covered):

What the unauthorized copying does is depress demand for legitimate copies, which in turn reduces or eliminates any motivation the copyright holder might have to go to the expense of reissuing it. Mr. Dowling may need, say, 100 people to buy the CD before he covers his costs in having a batch produced. If 75 of those people (or even 5 of those people) have copies, they won't be motivated to buy a legitimate copy when it becomes available. All Mr. Dowling has to do is assume that this is the case and he may decide not to reissue it. He is deprived of his legitimate market, and we are deprived of legitimate copies.

That's why it's wrong. And that's also why it's illegal.

("We" means "you guys"--I own a legit copy of this CD, and would hate to see it lost forever because of infringement.)

I'm not accusing anyone of anything--too little information to know anyone's intentions here. All I'm doing is explaining my response to the moral question that was posed.

Rick "wondering what has been lost because of the copy culture" Denney

So, there is no rational for copying this CD, is there? Let's review: it is available, now, for purchase and it would be a violation of international copyright law to copy it. What more is there to be said? I wonder if Gene could be inveigled to offer it for sale here? on the For Sale section? Seems like a natural.

[iiipopes]

I would like a copy myself. And since I've also been one to try to sell CD's of the band I was playing in at the time at various times over the years, I wholeheartedly agree with Rick.

Reissuing it and putting an ad in the "for sale" section of this forum is a great idea.