I've been uniformly impressed with the 191s I've tried. I've also been uniformly "meh" about any 1291/2 I've ever tried, BBb or CC. Honestly, I've never understood what all the hubbub's about, but then again, that's just me. The idea of a rotary 1291/2 sounds far less appealing to me than a 191CC, but perhaps I'll be surprised.
Of course, the rockin' .835" 191 valves in a 190CC body - hmmmmmm.....
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Now that I go in and look at the pixx a little more closely, the 191 and 1291/2 tapers look quite similar. Never noticed that before. Can someone comment on their similarity who's spent some time with both (coughRogercough)?
here goes. The bodies are quite similar but the 1291/2 CC has an "assymetrical" top bow. This has been used on organ pipes for a long time and make the horn speak a little better. The 191 is a great horn, but my personal experience has been that the bore is just a tad big and the low register is huge but doesn't slot as well for me. The 1291 BBb has pretty much the same bell and bows and allows me to rip things up in the low register and is just a bit more "mine". It likes what I do to it a little more than the 191. I am going to have the pistons vented in the near future.
They are both compact design and have very similar feels to them - and the differences are very small. I DO find the rotary valves fantastic and easy to play. There are great things about both of them, I just felt more at home on the piston model BBb.
I hope that answers the question.
Roger
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Roger Lewis wrote:here goes. The bodies are quite similar but the 1291/2 CC has an "assymetrical" top bow. This has been used on organ pipes for a long time and make the horn speak a little better. The 191 is a great horn, but my personal experience has been that the bore is just a tad big and the low register is huge but doesn't slot as well for me. The 1291 BBb has pretty much the same bell and bows and allows me to rip things up in the low register and is just a bit more "mine". It likes what I do to it a little more than the 191. I am going to have the pistons vented in the near future.
They are both compact design and have very similar feels to them - and the differences are very small. I DO find the rotary valves fantastic and easy to play. There are great things about both of them, I just felt more at home on the piston model BBb.
I hope that answers the question.
Indeed it does, and I've had it confirmed by multiple sources since my original posting that the 1291/2 and 191 tapers are basically the same (minus the asymetric top bow you've spoken of). I have some feelers out for more information on the 191 CC, and if I find something out, I'll pass it on.
is, let the pros do it at the factory. I'm sure they have explored every option in the development process and have tweaked the instrument to the fullest extent using the prototype test results.
One can speculate to limitless extremes on the various changes that "might" make a horn play better:
"Hey, let's put a York monster EEb bottom bow on it!",
"Now, let's put a Conn XXJ top bow on it!"
"Now, the crowning touch, the leadpipe from a Martin sousaphone!" "
Wadaya mean it sucks! It's got all this great name gear on it!"
Stand back - let the professionals handle it.
Roger
"The music business is a cruel and shallow trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." Hunter S Thompson
Miraphone is making a 190CC for Joe Murphy using the new .835 valves that were created for the 191. Current plan is for him to fly over in December and try the first assembly of the horn, make some tweaks, etc. When he's there, he'll also (hopefully) be trying out the prototype 191CC that's at the factory.
I spoke with another Miraphone artist this past weekend who had just paid a visit to the factory a couple weeks ago. He had a chance to spend some time on the prototype 191CC, and opined that it was a great axe.
poomshanka wrote:Miraphone is making a 190CC for Joe Murphy using the new .835 valves that were created for the 191. Current plan is for him to fly over in December and try the first assembly of the horn, make some tweaks, etc. When he's there, he'll also (hopefully) be trying out the prototype 191CC that's at the factory.
I spoke with another Miraphone artist this past weekend who had just paid a visit to the factory a couple weeks ago. He had a chance to spend some time on the prototype 191CC, and opined that it was a great axe.
Any numbers would be sheer guesswork. Looking at current trends, however, looks like a 1291-5V BBb runs around $7400, a 1291-5V CC runs around $7550, and a 1292-5V CC runs around $7900. If this relative BBb vs. CC pricing structure (gleaned from Dillon's website) holds true, with the 191-4V BBb running around $6300, maybe you could guess the CC version would be in the under-$8K range?
Again, just me talking out my a$$... like always...
Any news on this post. I´m selling my willson 3050 and I want buy a great CC rotary whith dark and big sound without too much blow. Is the new 191 CC my horn? please post experiences.
From what I have heard, Miraphone is in the research and development stage. A very select few professionals have been consulting with Miraphone about this instrument. There are prototypes that exist, but I haven't heard of a “191CCâ€
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From what I have heard, Miraphone is in the research and development stage. A very select few professionals have been consulting with Miraphone about this instrument. There are prototypes that exist, but I haven't heard of a “191CCâ€
Please do not open the possibility of playing a CC to Schleppy. We will have him asking for the fingerings in separate postings for each of the notes he can read.
OK, that will only sum up to 4 postings. And Schepp: the fingerings will be 1st or 2nd & 3rd.
