What's the worst tuba you've ever played?

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TubaRay wrote:
bloke wrote: The King 1140 also plays like crap when it is all torn up...and (miraculously :shock: ) plays well after it is repaired.
Imagine that!
Agreed! The King 1140 I had was pretty poor before it had its dents pulled and leaks fixed but made a nice sound and could be played in tune afterwards.

From what I have heard about the big Holtons, one should automatically figure in the cost of a refurbishment by a premier horn jockey into the purchase price.
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The Big Ben wrote:From what I have heard about the big Holtons, one should automatically figure in the cost of a refurbishment by a premier horn jockey into the purchase price.
"Refurbishment"? Naw. My Holton played as well before its recent repair work, or nearly enough so that I can't tell the difference before and after the several months of repair time.

But it sure works better. Now, I can adjust slides usefully and the first slide gives me the adjustment range I need to touch up a couple of funky notes.

And it looks better, without also looking like it's been messed with a lot. It still looks like an old Holton, which is is. I just doesn't look so much like an old Holton that was abused in schools and then semi-bent back into shape with a dent magnet.

I played it for four years before the repair, and even that repair would be hardly sufficient to qualify as "refurbishment".

But there are Holtons and then there are Holtons. The rebadged "Holton" Coeueueuueusnons described by Mr. Gates are not tubas at all. Any price paid beyond the scrap value of the brass is too much. I've never played a Couesnon that didn't sound a bass trombone with the water key removed.

Rick "whose initial 'refurb' of the Holton consisted only of aligning the first slide so that it would move, replacing the valve buttons with something appropriate for a tuba, and giving it a good bath" Denney
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Rick Denney wrote:
The Big Ben wrote:From what I have heard about the big Holtons, one should automatically figure in the cost of a refurbishment by a premier horn jockey into the purchase price.
"Refurbishment"? Naw. My Holton played as well before its recent repair work, or nearly enough so that I can't tell the difference before and after the several months of repair time.
Pardon me, please. I spoke too generally. Those big Holtons were variable from the factory and then, 30+ years on, the bad repairs and what not means one should be careful in the selection of horn or a refurbishment may be in order...

Better? ;)
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The Big Ben wrote:Better? ;)
Yes.

But now that I've jerked you one way, I'll jerk you the other way, heh, heh. Some of the big Holtons are not refurbishable, if the expected result is the ability to play a normal western diatonic scale. All Holtons are quirky, but not all of them are unmanageable, even when new. The unmanageable Holtons are like that Italian Eb tuba that Mike mentioned--if the intonation is unmanageable, then even a glorious sound might not keep it off this list.

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my undergrad had/has an Alex CC, 5valve (I guess it's a 163, I'm really not sure) on which no one I know got an open C anywhere near pitch. Any octave.

I had a Conn rotary valve Jumbo that had stretched octaves, much more than a piano from bottom to top.

But, both those had wonderful, warm sounds on individual pitches. Just lousy intonation when changing pitches.

Worst? A c.1880s Besson (so I was told) BBb. No pitch, no tone, no quality at all. Almost equal, a Pan American Eb souzie, a smoke test revealed 70 some-odd leaks through the valve section.
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