Tubenet Survey

bearphonium · Post by **bearphonium** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:50 am

So, what are the results of this survey?? As I recall, one of the questions concerned an age demographic, and I am mildly curious as to what that was.

As for...some of the other...discussion regarding this. If you don't like the edginess of some of the posts/forum members, then don't post, or find a calmer forum, or develop a thicker skin. My other "hobby" is riding a motorcycle. Most of the motorcycle forums make TubeNet look like Sunday school (and the TNFJ like choir boys), and as a result, there is only one forum that I make posts on regularly (pashnit dot com, if you're interested.)

Ally"who has considered 'resident dork' as an appropriate sub line for her avatar"House

skinnytuba · Post by **skinnytuba** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:16 am

I'd just like to say, as a younger musician, that I'm glad there is a large group of older musicians on this site. I was taught, like elepant, to learn from and respect my elders. And this fact has proven true in my life. So don't be so quick to speak on behalf of the younger crowd. Judging from your tag (or screenname, or whatever we call them) and the remarks in your long post on page 3, I'd say you're one of those guys who is furthering the negative stereotype of tuba players. It's certainly not fair get mad at the people on this site, especially Rick Denney (whose posts are always useful, intelligent, and to-the-point), for being academics and dedicated to what they do. Remember that its the academics who change things in the world, not the drunk college kids.

If you're unhappy with the way Tubenet is, and its members, maybe this is not the forum for you?

Dave "who is happy to have his *** jumped by the old guys as long as I can learn something from it" Rappenecker

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:33 pm

keg84 wrote:If you don't like it, don't do it. I dont care. Thanks to the 18 who have to far! I'll post the results when I get a few more tomorrow.
The "OTHER" is encouraged when possible.
Thanks though. I was trying to think of a way to mention the people who are on all the time and just look for stuff to complain about and waste everyone else's space and time on tubenet, and the rest of the internet for that matter, with negative bullshit, but I knew it wouldn't be long. Thanks for the input thou man.
Kyle

Well, after reading your response to Rick, I'm not even going to waste my time looking at your survey.

JCalkin · Post by **JCalkin** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:39 pm

I'm also grateful for TubeNet, for its benevolent management, for its curmudgeons, and for the young folks who contribute their stuff, meaningful or not.

I'm still pretty young at 28 years old, though I also make a living through music, and I can still remember being cut down a few times by the older folks on here. I've grown as a musician (and as a person) through my encounters on the 'Net and one of things I've learned is that we all put ourselves out there for critique each time we post. It's just like in the real world: if you walk into a room full of people and shout your opinions, be prepared to have some of those present disagree.

The thing about TubeNet is, the disagreements tend to be civil if they are not taken too personally. There are people on here I've disagreed with, and we've had some back-and-forth discussions, occasionally heated, but personal attacks were never embarked upon as long as the parties involved saw each discussion as a disagreement of viewpoints and not personal attacks.

So far TubeNet is the best of the forums I frequent in this regard.

As far as Rick Denney goes, he has earned the title of "Resident Genius" through his frequent, insightful and, frankly, very impressive posts on a staggering variety of subjects. You could likely ask a question about the effects of high wind speeds during days of low humidity on the annual crop production of Zimbabwe and get an informed answer. Publicly he is quite humble about his musical prowess though I suspect that he downplays his ability quite a bit on this forum. It is precisely this combination of knowledge and humility that has earned him so much respect on this forum and to attack him is truly one of the best ways to get your *** handed to you around here.

On the whole, TubeNet is very kind to young posters provided they take the time to contribute in a positive way, but it's a little bit like a small town cafe full of old-timers; if you walk in and pronounce loudly that their town is crappy, that they collectively don't know as much as they think they do and that they ought to make room for the younger generation because they have the newest (and therefore best) ideas, they are not going to welcome you with open arms.. It's just common sense.

And yes, some of us (myself included) are sticklers for spelling, grammar, etc. For my part, it's because I recognize that communication on the internet DOES correlate to communication in the real world, regardless of what some people may think. I'm not a particular fan of grading papers that are rife with what I call "Chat Lingo," but I have to deal with it regularly. The way you communicate is the way you communicate and we are all judged by our use of language, especially in a forum such as this when what we write is THE ONLY THING others have by which to judge us.

I love TubeNet. I have read a lot of great stuff here. I hope I have also contributed something useful but if I haven't... well, I tried. The mutual respect that people generally show for one another here is refreshing and though there are certainly departures from that respect occasionally, they are infrequent enough to be bearable, and at least we can count on the elephant to make them somewhat entertaining.

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:56 pm

Well.... I'm happy with the TubeNet forum. That's why I help support it. Some of you guys think I'm a kook... and in turn, I think some of you are kooks. That's just what makes the World go round. The really nice thing is, regardless of how goofy the post is, there is a little something to be learned from each and every one of them.

It would be nice if the negative comments could be kept down, though. I think it sometimes discourages some posters from saying something that might be useful. I sometimes read a 'repair' forum that is more-or-less dominated by a select few who never have anything good to say about anything. It's more of a club than a forum. It certainly discourages me from posting!

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:04 pm

TubaTinker wrote:It's more of a club

Geotuba · Post by **Geotuba** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:11 pm

JCalkin wrote:effects of high wind speeds during days of low humidity on the annual crop production of Zimbabwe

Allow me to beat him to it - everything you ever needed to know on this topic will be found in this paper

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:20 pm

Geotuba wrote:
JCalkin wrote:effects of high wind speeds during days of low humidity on the annual crop production of Zimbabwe
Allow me to beat him to it

OK, you can have the title "Resident SubGenius"...

quinterbourne · Post by **quinterbourne** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:24 pm

the elephant wrote:1. Create a poll with questions that are so poorly thought out that it is pretty much pointless to take.
2. Bait people into taking it by lying about your purpose for this poll.
3. Make fun of them for taking it.

Here is one for you, Kyle. Have fun!

http://FreeOnlineSurveys.com/rendersurv ... qvqw374238

Please posts results of that poll.

SplatterTone · Post by **SplatterTone** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:51 pm

1. Have you stopped beating your wife?
2. If yes, for how long? If no, why not?

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:59 pm

SplatterTone wrote:1. Have you stopped beating your wife?
2. If yes, for how long? If no, why not?

In fact, I beat her at ScrabbleÂ® regularly. I believe it's because she could do more to improve her vocabulary.

chipster55 · Post by **chipster55** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:24 pm

OK, I took the survey, for no other reason than for the hell of it. I don't make a living playing tuba or teaching it. I play because I enjoy it. And I lurk on Tubenet because occasionally I learn from those who do teach, fix horns, and play better than I do. What I don't like are those who take themselves too seriously, aren't respectful of fellow Tubenetters, and generally make themselves look like idiots with some of their remarks. That being said, most of those are in the minority. But, I do like it when those trolls get their asses handed to them.

TubaBobH · Post by **TubaBobH** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:39 pm

In my real â€œnon-tubaâ€

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:57 pm

Rob wrote:Honestly, my real question is, why are you up at 5:00 AM on a Sunday?

I'll tell you honestly: After having an excellent small steak with asparagus as a side dish and a glass or two of Diet Coke with the gang after the concert (where were you, by the way?), I went home to bed. I woke up at 1:15 with pain in my upper abdomen that made be squirm. Didn't want to wake up the Redhead with tossing and turning, so I went upstairs to sit upright for a while. I messed around on the computer since it required the least mental presence. A "while" turned into six hours of writhing pain, followed by a trip to the emergency room, an ultrasound, a CT scan, heavy drugs administered by IV, a diagnosis of gall stones, some unexpected decoration of the shoulder of the Dulles Greenway on the way home, and an appointment with a surgeon next week.

That's why I was up at 5, and further why I was in a sour mood.

Rick "eating carefully today" Denney

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:12 pm

JCalkin wrote:Publicly he is quite humble about his musical prowess though I suspect that he downplays his ability quite a bit on this forum.

You wouldn't say that if you'd heard me play Russian Christmas Music Saturday night. I did exactly what I accused poor players of doing--I didn't keep up with my breathing and ran into biological necessity in the middle of the string bass cues. Sheesh.

Rick "who can indeed defend himself--when it's worth the trouble" Denney

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:47 pm

Wow - there really are some mean people here. I saw the same sort of thing in that Dvorak 8 thread. Rick's response was not particularly nice and I think he got an appropriate retort. But than some of you - especially "The Elephant" really took it to the next level of meaness. Especially with that "poll" that was created. There is simply no question that others were way more immature than the original poster. Some of you guys just take things way to far and out of context.

I am ready for the over the top lambasting I will probably get for writing this. I am sure based on what I wrote that I must be a middle school student with pimples who fails all his classes and goes on forums only for the purpose of finding controvertial threads who couldn't even hold a tuba much less play it. OK - now to go back and check my spelling to make sure I am not a moron on top of all that.

Stefan

The Big Ben · Post by **The Big Ben** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:22 pm

Stefan wrote: I am ready for the over the top lambasting I will probably get for writing this. I am sure based on what I wrote that I must be a middle school student with pimples who fails all his classes and goes on forums only for the purpose of finding controvertial threads who couldn't even hold a tuba much less play it. OK - now to go back and check my spelling to make sure I am not a moron on top of all that.

If you make a video of yourself holding a tuba and popping your pimples at the same time, please post a link. I enjoy looking at things like that....

Jeff "Encouragably" Benedict

Biggs · Post by **Biggs** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:16 am

Stefan wrote:Wow - there really are some mean people here. I saw the same sort of thing in that Dvorak 8 thread. Rick's response was not particularly nice and I think he got an appropriate retort. But than some of you - especially "The Elephant" really took it to the next level of meaness. Especially with that "poll" that was created. There is simply no question that others were way more immature than the original poster. Some of you guys just take things way to far and out of context.

I am ready for the over the top lambasting I will probably get for writing this. I am sure based on what I wrote that I must be a middle school student with pimples who fails all his classes and goes on forums only for the purpose of finding controvertial threads who couldn't even hold a tuba much less play it. OK - now to go back and check my spelling to make sure I am not a moron on top of all that.

Stefan

Wade Rackley > "keg84"

The Elephant and I may not see eye to eye on everything, but I will agree with his assertion that college students, taken as a demographic, are an ignorant and asinine group.

and i is one!!!!!!11

In this particular case, I think one of my more embarrassing peers was just asking to be taken down a peg. However, I believe he did so unknowingly and with better intentions than we give him credit for.

TexTuba · Post by **TexTuba** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:33 am

Biggs wrote:Wade Rackley > "keg84"

The Elephant and I may not see eye to eye on everything, but I will agree with his assertion that college students, taken as a demographic, are an ignorant and asinine group.

and i is one!!!!!!11

In this particular case, I think one of my more embarrassing peers was just asking to be taken down a peg. However, I believe he did so unknowingly and with better intentions than we give him credit for.

You might be right, but remember some of the worst things to happen in the history of man started with the best of intentions. The problem I have with this poster is his attitude and lack of respect. You see, people act like they post. I can say this confidently because I've been fortunate enough to meet some of the people on this board and I am lucky enough to call some of them friends. Do you know what I found out about them? They act just like they type. Wayne(Schlep) is quite funny and it is VERY hard not to laugh at his jokes. Ray(TubaRay) is very matter of fact and quite funny. Also, he's a hell of a tuba player! Ken(knuxie) is full on energy and enthusiasm. I could keep going, but I think people get the point. So when someone comes on this board and is blatantly disrespectful, that just does not fly. Yes, I'm sure Mr. Denney can defend himself quite capably. I do not even know him. I have, however, heard much about him and have read quite a few of his posts. I've been reading here since 2003 and just started posting last year! In that time I've learned who knows what they're talking about and who is full of horse manure. The bottom line is that the guy was/is being a disrespectful little @@@@@ who bitches that some people don't like his survey. So in my experience, if he types like a @@@@@, chances are....

Call me mean for this. Those who really know me know that I am quite the opposite.

Biggs · Post by **Biggs** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:44 am

TexTuba wrote:So in my experience, if he types like a @@@@@, chances are....

Call me mean for this. Those who really know me know that I am quite the opposite.

I completely agree! Don't think I'm trying to shield the original poster. He is a @@@@@ who deserves what he gets, but I bet he doesn't even know it.