Tubenet Survey

[Dan Schultz]

I was never a kid. But I wasn't hatched this "mean", it takes years and dedication to perfect!

[Dan Schultz]

Oh, Dan … He jumped on Rick, who merely gave him a very honest and nice response. That says a lot about him as a person. He also revealed his own TRUE reasons for doing this poll and revealed himself to be a troll by intentionally baiting the forum. He is trolling for responses, hence the term.

I must be a real dumb-*** but I thought the survey was kind of fun.

So did I. I took it. And I also agreed with Rick. Regardless, do you like that, after having taken his little poll that he posted such snotty response to Rick that pretty much indirectly insulted everyone who took the time to take his poll?

Scumbag behavior is scumbag behavior. It deserves castigating. If it was done in public it deserves public castigating.

Troll or not, the originator of this thread sure did a good job of yanking the crank of the TubeNet 'meanies'. I think that is what the 'poll' was all about in the first place. You guys bit hard!

[TexTuba]

Per one of the other threads about 'mean TubeNetters', this one pretty much drew them out. Be nice, guys. You were probably a stupid kid once, too.

I would not say I'm mean. People say I'm fairly decent! Seriously, I don't like it when people who are around my age(24) being disrespectful to those who OBVIOUSLY know what they're talking about. You do not get the title of 'Resident Genius' for nothing! The bottom line is that not everyone is going to like you or what you do for whatever reason. Deal with it and move on.

Yes, I was stupid once. That is why I NEVER posted. I just read.

[TexTuba]

Are you in high school by any chance? I say this because after looking at your survey, I'd say the creator of that survey had the mental capacity of a 15-year old.

College kids can have that same capacity. They just sound more eloquent.

Ken F.

Is there something you're trying to say, Ken?

[WakinAZ]

Has anyone esle noticed that this forum which is for both instruments is tottaly dominated by the tuba world?

Way it is, OBN. This site has mostly tuba players and some euphers. Dave Werden's site is the reverse: mostly euph and some tuba. Not sure about tubanews.com; I slum there occasionally, seems to be a more even mix.

I feel like I am in such a minority here .

You are, but we still like you and the other euphers anyway - you guys are much easier to get along with than those dang trumpet players or even the chainsaw operators.

Anyone got some cheese to go with my whine ?

Dinner is served.

Eric "who finds oldbandnerd's screen name amusing" L.

[oldbandnerd]

oldbandnerd wrote:
Has anyone esle noticed that this forum which is for both instruments is tottaly dominated by the tuba world?

Way it is, OBN. This site has mostly tuba players and some euphers. Dave Werden's site is the reverse: mostly euph and some tuba. Not sure about tubanews.com; I slum there occasionally, seems to be a more even mix.

oldbandnerd wrote:
I feel like I am in such a minority here .

You are, but we still like you and the other euphers anyway - you guys are much easier to get along with than those dang trumpet players or even the chainsaw operators.

oldbandnerd wrote:
Anyone got some cheese to go with my whine ?
Dinner is served.

Eric "who finds oldbandnerd's screen name amusing" L.

"You like me !! You really, really like me !!!"



The oldbandnerd is touched by the love he has recieved from his tuba brethren. I feel much better now. Thank you.

[kingrob76]

If you don't like it, don't do it. I dont care. Thanks to the 18 who have to far! I'll post the results when I get a few more tomorrow.
The "OTHER" is encouraged when possible.
Thanks though. I was trying to think of a way to mention the people who are on all the time and just look for stuff to complain about and waste everyone else's space and time on tubenet, and the rest of the internet for that matter, with negative bullshit, but I knew it wouldn't be long. Thanks for the input thou man.
Kyle

Yeah, that's me.

Rick "pegged" Denney

Honestly, my real question is, why are you up at 5:00 AM on a Sunday?

[TubaRay]

I just wish there was a younger group on tubenet, not so academic and tight assed about things that don't need to be.

In exactly what manner would TubeNet be better if it had a younger group? Why is the age of the person an issue here? I believe there are good, solid posts made from people of virtually all ages. I am probably one of the older members of this forum. I don't know why that should matter at all to you, except for the fact that I bring a great deal of life experience along with me. I also have paid a lot of dues in the tuba world.

Another part of this has to do with respect. I feel pretty sure you would agree that respect has to be earned. So what part of "Resident Genius" did you not understand. Do you suppose this person might have done something to earn this. What seemed to garner the most negative response for you is your disrespect for Rick Denney. Since he is a person friend of mine, I believe I know him pretty well. I have spent hundreds of hours around him. He brings a lot of knowledge to the table, along with a really high IQ. The reason he is called Resident Genius is because of his track record on TubeNet. I only wish I had the respect on this forum that he has. So be careful when you start typing things about him, because you can be sure there will be those who will not like the disrespect. Wade may not be as diplomatic, but he is certainly worth paying attention to. I know I learn a lot from both of these guys.

As for the "not so academic and tight assed" comment, I would not describe this forum as being either of these. It is true that when you post something here it may very well receive a wide range of responses. This is why we have come to know this as the TNFJ(TubeNet Freak Jury). If you post something idiotic or inaccurate, you can pretty well count on being corrected. I have experienced this a number of times. It has made me more careful about what I post. I believe this is a good thing. In this manner, I end up learning more than I am able to help others. I hope that after a while I can pay this back.

I will admit that TubeNet has its flaws. Not everyone is respectful to everyone else. By and large, however, it seems worthy of some of my time participating in the process. I enjoy and I learn. If you can't take some minor criticism, maybe you should look elsewhere. If you are willing to adapt, welcome to TubeNet.

[The Big Ben]

Let's not take ourselves so seriously, eh?

Rick Denney may be a resident genius but he can (and did) fight his own battles.

I did the survey. Filled it out all horsesh**, too. What else can you expect from a Trumpet Doofus masquerading as a tuba player?

Jeff "Leaning forward on the little three-legged stool" Benedict

[windshieldbug]

Au contraire, I think we should take ourselve more seriously.

After all, I've even seen viola players post in here. Next, it'll be conductors. Then, we'll be getting THE HAND.

Let's nip this in the bud.

[bearphonium]

So, what are the results of this survey?? As I recall, one of the questions concerned an age demographic, and I am mildly curious as to what that was.

As for...some of the other...discussion regarding this. If you don't like the edginess of some of the posts/forum members, then don't post, or find a calmer forum, or develop a thicker skin. My other "hobby" is riding a motorcycle. Most of the motorcycle forums make TubeNet look like Sunday school (and the TNFJ like choir boys), and as a result, there is only one forum that I make posts on regularly (pashnit dot com, if you're interested.)

Ally"who has considered 'resident dork' as an appropriate sub line for her avatar"House

[skinnytuba]

I'd just like to say, as a younger musician, that I'm glad there is a large group of older musicians on this site. I was taught, like elepant, to learn from and respect my elders. And this fact has proven true in my life. So don't be so quick to speak on behalf of the younger crowd. Judging from your tag (or screenname, or whatever we call them) and the remarks in your long post on page 3, I'd say you're one of those guys who is furthering the negative stereotype of tuba players. It's certainly not fair get mad at the people on this site, especially Rick Denney (whose posts are always useful, intelligent, and to-the-point), for being academics and dedicated to what they do. Remember that its the academics who change things in the world, not the drunk college kids.

If you're unhappy with the way Tubenet is, and its members, maybe this is not the forum for you?

Dave "who is happy to have his *** jumped by the old guys as long as I can learn something from it" Rappenecker

[Mark]

If you don't like it, don't do it. I dont care. Thanks to the 18 who have to far! I'll post the results when I get a few more tomorrow.
The "OTHER" is encouraged when possible.
Thanks though. I was trying to think of a way to mention the people who are on all the time and just look for stuff to complain about and waste everyone else's space and time on tubenet, and the rest of the internet for that matter, with negative bullshit, but I knew it wouldn't be long. Thanks for the input thou man.
Kyle

Well, after reading your response to Rick, I'm not even going to waste my time looking at your survey.

[JCalkin]

I'm also grateful for TubeNet, for its benevolent management, for its curmudgeons, and for the young folks who contribute their stuff, meaningful or not.

I'm still pretty young at 28 years old, though I also make a living through music, and I can still remember being cut down a few times by the older folks on here. I've grown as a musician (and as a person) through my encounters on the 'Net and one of things I've learned is that we all put ourselves out there for critique each time we post. It's just like in the real world: if you walk into a room full of people and shout your opinions, be prepared to have some of those present disagree.

The thing about TubeNet is, the disagreements tend to be civil if they are not taken too personally. There are people on here I've disagreed with, and we've had some back-and-forth discussions, occasionally heated, but personal attacks were never embarked upon as long as the parties involved saw each discussion as a disagreement of viewpoints and not personal attacks.

So far TubeNet is the best of the forums I frequent in this regard.

As far as Rick Denney goes, he has earned the title of "Resident Genius" through his frequent, insightful and, frankly, very impressive posts on a staggering variety of subjects. You could likely ask a question about the effects of high wind speeds during days of low humidity on the annual crop production of Zimbabwe and get an informed answer. Publicly he is quite humble about his musical prowess though I suspect that he downplays his ability quite a bit on this forum. It is precisely this combination of knowledge and humility that has earned him so much respect on this forum and to attack him is truly one of the best ways to get your *** handed to you around here.

On the whole, TubeNet is very kind to young posters provided they take the time to contribute in a positive way, but it's a little bit like a small town cafe full of old-timers; if you walk in and pronounce loudly that their town is crappy, that they collectively don't know as much as they think they do and that they ought to make room for the younger generation because they have the newest (and therefore best) ideas, they are not going to welcome you with open arms.. It's just common sense.

And yes, some of us (myself included) are sticklers for spelling, grammar, etc. For my part, it's because I recognize that communication on the internet DOES correlate to communication in the real world, regardless of what some people may think. I'm not a particular fan of grading papers that are rife with what I call "Chat Lingo," but I have to deal with it regularly. The way you communicate is the way you communicate and we are all judged by our use of language, especially in a forum such as this when what we write is THE ONLY THING others have by which to judge us.

I love TubeNet. I have read a lot of great stuff here. I hope I have also contributed something useful but if I haven't... well, I tried. The mutual respect that people generally show for one another here is refreshing and though there are certainly departures from that respect occasionally, they are infrequent enough to be bearable, and at least we can count on the elephant to make them somewhat entertaining.

[Dan Schultz]

Well.... I'm happy with the TubeNet forum. That's why I help support it. Some of you guys think I'm a kook... and in turn, I think some of you are kooks. That's just what makes the World go round. The really nice thing is, regardless of how goofy the post is, there is a little something to be learned from each and every one of them.

It would be nice if the negative comments could be kept down, though. I think it sometimes discourages some posters from saying something that might be useful. I sometimes read a 'repair' forum that is more-or-less dominated by a select few who never have anything good to say about anything. It's more of a club than a forum. It certainly discourages me from posting!

[windshieldbug]

It's more of a club

[Geotuba]

effects of high wind speeds during days of low humidity on the annual crop production of Zimbabwe

Allow me to beat him to it - everything you ever needed to know on this topic will be found in this paper

[windshieldbug]

effects of high wind speeds during days of low humidity on the annual crop production of Zimbabwe

Allow me to beat him to it

OK, you can have the title "Resident SubGenius"...

[quinterbourne]

1. Create a poll with questions that are so poorly thought out that it is pretty much pointless to take.
2. Bait people into taking it by lying about your purpose for this poll.
3. Make fun of them for taking it.

Here is one for you, Kyle. Have fun!

http://FreeOnlineSurveys.com/rendersurv ... qvqw374238

Please posts results of that poll.

[SplatterTone]

1. Have you stopped beating your wife?
2. If yes, for how long? If no, why not?