Cerveny CFB - 653 Update IT IS NOW HERE!!!!

[jonesbrass]

I called Dillon to ask about MW Eb's and these. The guy I spoke to said some VERY nice things about these. I still want to give myself a chance to score an Eb first, but just maybe....


45 days, though, sounds like torture!

The 45 day wait is torture, but it is SO WORTH IT when you get one!!!

[pierso20]

The 653 is the same height as the yamaha 621, but I think it is a bit wider.

The alteiri gig bag I have is a perfect pit.

I don't have an "official" F mouthpiece yet. I'm just usaing a Helle. 7B. It's not bad, but doesn't allow me to get as much color out of the horn.

Overall, my studio is quite impressed with the horn. Some grad students and my professor all agree it has a consistant sound across the register, good low/pedal range, and is VERY easy to play.

ANYWAY......

The 653 is actually 5 valves. 3 valves may be easier to play, but a 3 valve F horn...would be very difficult to tune I'd imagine. And a 4 valve F horn would make low notes impossible...(maybe).

It's a great horn.

[iiipopes]

I highly recomend the new Miraphone TU-23 mouthpiece for this horn!

"New" TU-23 = "Old" C4

[jonesbrass]

I wonder if a Yamaha 621 bag would fit?

These 653's are about 32" tall and have a 14-ish" bell.

Ferguson's website says (for Cronkhite)-

Yamaha YFB 621 YCB 621 15 x 33.75

http://hornguys.com/tubacases.htm

Sounds safe, but I wonder if the 653 is wider than the 621?

I wonder what Doug had?
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I guess it's a moot point as you two guys both ordered a bag already!

I received my Altieri gig bag on Tuesday - very nice bag. One thing I definitely like is that it's a top-loader. I can't tell you how nervous I get about my Reunion Blues bag . . . that somehow I'll forget to zip it or something and the horn will fall out and get a huge dent. No worries like that with the Altieri. Also, the Altieri has some type of rigid plastic around it that is superior to my Reunion Blues bag. My daughter's white cat LOVES to lay on my gig bags, and the pet hair doesn't stick to the Altieri, either . . . BONUS!!

Hopefully my custom UNITEC flight case will arrive soon, too. Can't wait to have a "real" home for my Baby Arion. I'll take some pics and review that when it comes in.

[Matt Ransom]

FYI - there are 2 Cerveny 653 F tubas sitting at the Tuba Exchange in Durham, NC. They are nice little tubas, although not really my cup of tea.

The G and F# (flat) at the top of the staff require alternate fingerings. Both tubas are slightly shopworn and may merit a bit of a discount.

Matt

[pierso20]

FYI - there are 2 Cerveny 653 F tubas sitting at the Tuba Exchange in Durham, NC. They are nice little tubas, although not really my cup of tea.

The G and F# (flat) at the top of the staff require alternate fingerings. Both tubas are slightly shopworn and may merit a bit of a discount.

Matt

I noticed the G and F# having the same problems, but using 4th for the G and 3rd for the F3 places them perfect, so i don't mind using these alternates.

Interesting that TE has 2 of em..haha

[jonesbrass]

FYI - there are 2 Cerveny 653 F tubas sitting at the Tuba Exchange in Durham, NC. They are nice little tubas, although not really my cup of tea.

The G and F# (flat) at the top of the staff require alternate fingerings. Both tubas are slightly shopworn and may merit a bit of a discount.

Matt

FWIW, I have yet to play an F tuba that didn't require this adjustment on those particular notes (4 for G and 2+4 for F# or something like that), not to mention 2+3 on Ab and 1+2 on the A just above it, especially where those notes are sustained.
If anyone is looking for a 653, sounds like they need to pop into the TubaExchange for a rare opportunity to A/B a couple of them.

[MileMarkerZero]

[quote="pierso20"]

"I'm having fun playing your new F tuba"!!!!!!!!!!

[quote]

What, no "muah haa haa haa haaaaaaa!!!!" ?

[pierso20]

I read that description and I think it was poorly written and I disagree with his opinion. Enough said.

[jonesbrass]

I not only disagree with his opinion, I also checked his bio. A young student . . . without hardly any experience. Perhaps he got a dog.

Everyone is entitled to his opinion, no matter how wrong it is . . .

[cjk]

FYI - there are 2 Cerveny 653 F tubas sitting at the Tuba Exchange in Durham, NC. They are nice little tubas, although not really my cup of tea.

The G and F# (flat) at the top of the staff require alternate fingerings. Both tubas are slightly shopworn and may merit a bit of a discount.

Matt

FWIW, I have yet to play an F tuba that didn't require this adjustment on those particular notes (4 for G and 2+4 for F# or something like that), not to mention 2+3 on Ab and 1+2 on the A just above it, especially where those notes are sustained.
If anyone is looking for a 653, sounds like they need to pop into the TubaExchange for a rare opportunity to A/B a couple of them.

The Miraphone Firebird, Meinl-Weston 45SLZ, and my B&S Symphonie F tuba (plus three that belong to friends) do not require those adjustments.

I'd also check the pitch of the C and B natural in the staff to see how sharp they are.

I used to own a Cerveny F tuba (a 654-6). It was very playable. It was a good instrument. Extremely in tune with itself, it was not.

However, there are a LOT of very expensive F tubas which have no better scales than the Cerveny F tubas.

[Sylvano]

I know the subject is the Cerveny F but the previous post talks about the Firebird.

I just bought a Miraphone Firebird 6 valves (5+1), yellow brass 3 weeks ago.

The G first valve is very flat and playing it with the 4th valve solves the problem.

The low register is easier than the MW 45SLP I just sold but I miss its solid tone. Tuning on the 45SLP I had was very good except for the upper A which I had to play 1+2.

Have fun with the Cerveny.

[pierso20]

FYI - there are 2 Cerveny 653 F tubas sitting at the Tuba Exchange in Durham, NC. They are nice little tubas, although not really my cup of tea.

The G and F# (flat) at the top of the staff require alternate fingerings. Both tubas are slightly shopworn and may merit a bit of a discount.

Matt

FWIW, I have yet to play an F tuba that didn't require this adjustment on those particular notes (4 for G and 2+4 for F# or something like that), not to mention 2+3 on Ab and 1+2 on the A just above it, especially where those notes are sustained.
If anyone is looking for a 653, sounds like they need to pop into the TubaExchange for a rare opportunity to A/B a couple of them.

The Miraphone Firebird, Meinl-Weston 45SLZ, and my B&S Symphonie F tuba (plus three that belong to friends) do not require those adjustments.

I'd also check the pitch of the C and B natural in the staff to see how sharp they are.

I used to own a Cerveny F tuba (a 654-6). It was very playable. It was a good instrument. Extremely in tune with itself, it was not.

However, there are a LOT of very expensive F tubas which have no better scales than the Cerveny F tubas.

I am finding that many of the more expensive F tuba's have other quirks about them that I wouldn't say makes it better than the 653. I would say for sure though, that mouthpiece's have a HUGE effect on F horns, especially my little cerveny. I play the G in the middle of the staff with 4 and the F# is spot on with 2-4 or just 3. But when changing mouthpieces, I get a different response.

I would say though, that when using alternate fingerings, the instrument is VERY intune with itself. Not using alternate fingerings is still very workable however, since most notes are within 5 cents of being in tune. (The C in the staff is a bit high though, so it has to be lipped down or played with an alternate, unless your mouthpiece does well with it. I have 2 mouthpieces, and each have a very different C).

[pierso20]

I know the subject is the Cerveny F but the previous post talks about the Firebird.

I just bought a Miraphone Firebird 6 valves (5+1), yellow brass 3 weeks ago.

The G first valve is very flat and playing it with the 4th valve solves the problem.

The low register is easier than the MW 45SLP I just sold but I miss its solid tone. Tuning on the 45SLP I had was very good except for the upper A which I had to play 1+2.

Have fun with the Cerveny.

I like the Firebird well enough. It's a fun horn, we have one in our studio and I've tried others as well. It actually plays quite similarly to my Cerveny. I would say however, I really like the sound on the 653 over the Firebird. And one thing that is really really nice on the 653 is the ease at which it plays a very even consistant sound. (Also with the ability to utilize several different colors).