small/large shank mp's on tbn./euph.

Bill Troiano · Post by **Bill Troiano** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:40 pm

As a follow up to purchasing a trbn. for my son , the euph player, I did end up buying the Yamaha 448. I ended up picking up the Yamaha, and the Weril and bringing them to a tbn. friend's house. He was primarily a bs. bone player, but he had a Benge tenor. All 3 of the horns were a .547 bore. In a blind test between the 3, I chose the Yammy first and the Benge second. The Weril, although a great bang for the buck, sounded more stuffy and was on the verge of breaking up at high volume. Otherwise, you can't beat the Weril as an intermediate horn for the price.

The reason I am writing this follow up is that I never even considered the fact that the Yammy 448 tbn. required a large shank mp and his Yammy 321 euph uses a small shank. He's been using a Bach 4 small shank mp with the euph, and he is presently preparing the 2nd Bach Cello Suite for his All-State audition in early Apr. He likes the Bach mp, so I don't really want to change that. The Yammy tbn. came with a small 48L mp. I thought I would just go and get a Bach 4 large shank mp, but it's not that simple. Bach makes a 4G large shank mp that has a slightly different rim contour and deeper cup.

So, I am wondering if any of you know if any manufacturer makes large and small shank tbn. mp's where the cup and rim are the same - just a different size shank. I know of the Doug Elliot mp's, but I really don't want to spend that much and also have my son not use his Bach 4 which he likes. Ideally, I would just like to come up with another mp, which would be the same as the Bach 4 with a large shank. Waddaya think? Thanks!

Chadtuba · Post by **Chadtuba** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:58 pm

Close to your son's Bach but not exactly like it would be the Denis Wick 4BL and 4BS, same mouthpiece with large and small shank.

dwerden · Post by **dwerden** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:08 pm

Here is a chart on my site that is interactive. I already chose the tenor shank and selected the Bach 4 to compare to. You will see a list of all the mouthpieces close to that size:

http://www.dwerden.com/mouthpieces/trom ... hank=Tenor

(There is a link near the top to let you view all mouthpieces if you want to see ones that are further away from the Bach 4.)

Dave Hayami · Post by **Dave Hayami** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:07 pm

Hello,
Why not try an adapter small shank to large shank?
just my $0.02's worth
Dave Hayami

MaryAnn · Post by **MaryAnn** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:18 pm

Dave Hayami wrote:Hello,
Why not try an adapter small shank to large shank?
just my $0.02's worth
Dave Hayami

Ditto on this; it is common for horn players who also play Eb alto to use their horn mouthpiece with an adaptor; they sound better than they would with an alto mouthpiece, by far.

MA

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:13 pm

The adapter may be a good inexpensive interim solution to get by, but because of the resultant "stairstepping" of the backbore and shank, there will be discontinuity of what's called the "gap" between the end of the mouthpiece shank in the receiver and the leadpipe, and this may negatively affect intonation, both in pitch and response.

Bill Troiano · Post by **Bill Troiano** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:56 pm

Thanks for all of the imput. My son did have an adapter that he used with his marching band baritone. Unfortunately, he left it in the horn after the season and the horn is locked in a room that only the marching band director has the key for. The marching band director doesn't teach in the building. Don't get me started on that one. I've been trying to hook up with him. Meanwhile just today, the Bach 4G that I ordered was delivered to the store I ordered it from, so I'll pick that up tomorrow. We'll see how it goes. Thanks again!