A Fun New Project

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:48 pm

I guess I have a little too much time on my hands these days! After collecting just the right parts for a couple of years, I'm finally getting around to building my cimbasso. This one will be pitched in BBb. Fun! Follow the project here:

http://thevillagetinker.com/projects.htm

J.c. Sherman · Post by **J.c. Sherman** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:51 pm

Have fun with this. I've built 2, and the first was a CC/BBb with the same bore, though 3 valves. I like this bell configuration! I can't wait to see the finished product. Are the calves from a 4v Miraphone Eb?

J.c.

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:05 am

J.c. Sherman wrote:... Are the valves from a 4v Miraphone Eb?

J.c.

Yes. The valve section is from an older Mirafone Eb. I'm not nuts about the clock-spring mechanisms but they are in surprisingly good shape. The bell is one of those funky Getzen bugles. The back bow is salvaged from the bottom bow of a tiny 'peck horn'. It's amazing how well the taper of the parts have matched-up. At the bell section receiver, the bore is .687" and will remain the same back up through the valve section. The leadpipe is also .687" tapering down to a standard tuba receiver. I don't really expect this horn to be any 'stuffier' than any of the King 1240/2340 tubas ('cause that's basically the size of the smaller elements). Time will tell. If I bust my butt on Friday, I might be able to give it a blow.

tofu · Post by **tofu** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:41 am

The Big Ben · Post by **The Big Ben** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:23 am

tofu wrote:Since this is going to pitched in BBb can I assume the fingerings would be identical to a BBb tuba? Also what would the effective range of the instrument be?I've never seen or heard a Cimbasso so it is a bit of a mystery to me.

Use the search function on Cimbasso and you will find a short discussion and some links to people playing the cimbasso.

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:00 am

tofu wrote:Since this is going to pitched in BBb can I assume the fingerings would be identical to a BBb tuba? Also what would the effective range of the instrument be?I've never seen or heard a Cimbasso so it is a bit of a mystery to me.

The fingerings and range on this horn should be the same as for a BBb tuba.

Tubaing · Post by **Tubaing** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:09 pm

If you are using an Eb Valve section are how are you goin' to play it in BBb? Pull the slides way out?

Kevin Hendrick · Post by **Kevin Hendrick** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:19 am

Just checked your website (thanks for the link) -- looks like it's coming along well!

Tubaing wrote:If you are using an Eb Valve section are how are you goin' to play it in BBb? Pull the slides way out?

TubaTinker wrote:Note that the valve section is still configured for Eb. All of the valve circuits need to be about 33% longer to change to BBb. There is quite a bit of 'pull' available. I'll lengthen the tuning slides later if necessary.

OldsRecording · Post by **OldsRecording** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:20 am

bloke wrote: If yours is a success, (again) I will declare your home a shrine, and make a pilgrimage to erect a monument.

I hope something like this would be sufficient:

seriously: very best wishes with your endeavor. Things like this always involve a tremendous amount of work along with a tremendous amount of hope and optimism.

I was thinking something like this:

<img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii31 ... licon5.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket">

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:11 am

OldsRecording wrote:
bloke wrote: If yours is a success, (again) I will declare your home a shrine, and make a pilgrimage to erect a monument.

I hope something like this would be sufficient:

seriously: very best wishes with your endeavor. Things like this always involve a tremendous amount of work along with a tremendous amount of hope and optimism.
I was thinking something like this:

<img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii31 ... licon5.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket">

That epoxied bell-stack and fiberglass flare has been through hell and is still holding up very well!

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:45 am

New pictures added to my 'projects' page.....

http://thevillagetinker.com/projects.htm

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:38 am

I like the "no pressure" mouthpipe!

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:13 pm

windshieldbug wrote:I like the "no pressure" mouthpipe!

That does make for good practice. I once saw a teacher suspend a trumpet from a couple of strings and challenge students to product sound without touching the horn with their hands.... only their lips.

There will eventually be a reinforcment on the leadpipe.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:19 pm

Just further harassing the 'Tinker...

(BTW, the cimbasso looks very righteous!!)

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:39 pm

windshieldbug wrote:
TubaTinker wrote:I once saw a teacher suspend a trumpet from a couple of strings and challenge students to product sound without touching the horn
Tough not to touch it with at least your lips! Then again, it makes a great crashing sound if you just cut the strings!

(BTW, the cimbasso looks very righteous!!)

Awright awright.... I edited my post!

circusboy · Post by **circusboy** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:22 pm

With the two legs coming down it looks like a catamaran-cimbasso!

My first visit to your site, btw. Really interesting/nice work!

tofu · Post by **tofu** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:49 pm

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:53 pm

tuben wrote:Dan,

Looks REALLY good but have one question....

Is the brass in the tube coming from the valve set to the bell section strong enough to support the weight of the bell?

In looking at the pictures of what's available on the web.... I wondered about that, too. But..... actually, that .687" ID tubing is pretty strong by itself. I plan to add a rib to top and bottom of the tube to make sure it stays put. I wouldn't want to try marching with one of these things!

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:44 pm

... and now, under the field direction of Mr. Dan Schultz, ladies and gentlemen, the incomparable Indiana Hoosier Marching Cimbassi!!

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:55 pm

TubaTinker wrote:
windshieldbug wrote:I like the "no pressure" mouthpipe!
That does make for good practice. I once saw a teacher suspend a trumpet from a couple of strings and challenge students to product sound without touching the horn with their hands.... only their lips.

There will eventually be a reinforcment on the leadpipe.

He got it from Doc Severnson. Doc used that as a standard feature in his clinics and master classes.

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A Fun New Project

A Fun New Project

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