Pet peeves...................

[eupher61]

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[Mojo workin']

Selective racism? Racist unless a specific person suits one's particular tastes?

Please explain further.

[eupher61]

s a racist defined as someone who must judge ALL members of a race to be the same? Could a racist be someone who makes observations of certain TENDENCIES that the respective races seem to have? If one says yes to the latter, than I am a racist. If one says yes to the former, than I am not a racist.

A belief that people of a particular race have an inherent quality is racist. Well, I guess that saying "African Americans have darker colored skin than Caucasians" isn't necessarily racist. But remember comments about inherent athletic ability, 'endowment', intelligence? Why judge a group based on "tendancies"? That's discriminatory of itself. A racist could certainly be capable of discrimination, it's actually an inherent part.
Being non-discriminatory would mean not making a judgment about a GROUP of people overall; judging individuals is not racist, could be considered discriminatory (eg "I don't like people with tattoos.")

It's a tough call. It's also something that world society today needs to deal with more thoroughly. IMO.

[MartyNeilan]

1. A relative comes in from out of town and you take them out to dinner.
2. They order the most expensive steak on the menu (forgivable, but see 3 and 4.)
3. They order it very well done.
4. After it arrives, they cover it with ketchup. ketchup.

My shoe would have tasted the same very well done and smothered in ketchup and would have cost me a whole lot less.

[Mojo workin']

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But remember comments about inherent athletic ability, 'endowment', intelligence? Why judge a group based on "tendancies"? 

Yes, I believe there are certain inherent strengths and weaknesses of the respective races. To not believe this is to tell yourself that what can be observed through the scientific method is incorrect. Are you aware that people of African ancestry have more tendonous muscle mass, which aids in more explosive speed? Are you aware that Asians are stronger in the fields of Mathematics and Science(nonverbal phenomena) than other races? Are you saying that Herrnstein and Murray's Bell Curve is hogwash? Here are the main claims of it:

Intelligence exists and is accurately measurable across racial, language, and national boundaries.
Intelligence is one, if not the most, important correlative factor in economic, social, and overall success in America, and is becoming more important.
Intelligence is largely (40% to 80%) genetically heritable.
No one has so far been able to manipulate IQ long term to any significant degree through changes in environmental factors - except for child adoption - and in light of their failure such approaches are becoming less promising.
The USA has been in denial regarding these facts, and in light of these findings a better public understanding of the nature of intelligence and its social correlates is necessary to guide future policy decisions in America.

Why judge a group based on tendencies? I was merely arguing that there are empirically observable tendencies that the respective races have.

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It's a tough call. It's also something that world society today needs to deal with more thoroughly. IMO.


This is a bunch of sh!t that has been OVER-dealt with SO much by "society" that people actually have made a g-d profession of discussing it (and out of stirring others up over it).

Amen.

[OldsRecording]

1. A relative comes in from out of town and you take them out to dinner.
2. They order the most expensive steak on the menu (forgivable, but see 3 and 4.)
3. They order it very well done.
4. After it arrives, they cover it with ketchup. ketchup.

My shoe would have tasted the same very well done and smothered in ketchup and would have cost me a whole lot less.

When I used to work in restaurants it would always bug the crap out of me when someone would order a filet mignon well-done and butterflied. I was always thinking 'Hey moron, why don't you just order a hambuger'. It's cheaper and probably tastes better when its been cooked to within an inch of its life.

[windshieldbug]

When I used to work in restaurants it would always bug the crap out of me when someone would order a [fillet] mignon well-done and butterflied. I was always thinking 'Hey moron, why don't you just order a hamburger'. It's cheaper and probably tastes better when its been cooked to within an inch of its life.

I'm totally with you there. Then again, why didn't you just serve them hamburger? With all the ketchup they'd put on it, how'd they know?

What always bugs me is when you go somewhere and they ask you to pick the lobster you're going to have. Not only do YOU have to sentence the poor creature to death, but you certainly don't want to develop a relationship with it, however brief.

It would help if they would put a notice prominently over the tank "These lobsters are certified mass murderers, rapists, and child molesters"

[TubaRay]

It would help if they would put a notice prominently over the tank "These lobsters are certified mass murderers, rapists, and child molesters"

LOL

[Easty621]

Mojo workin': I recommend you read this book it shows that "The Bell Curve" is hogwash.
http://www.amazon.com/Mismeasure-Man-St ... 841&sr=1-1

[tubatooter1940]

It would help if they would put a notice prominently over the tank "These lobsters are certified mass murderers, rapists, and child molesters"

LOL

Get me anywhere within arms reach of a yummy crustacean and I'll prove that sucker didn't die for nothing.

[OldsRecording]

It would help if they would put a notice prominently over the tank "These lobsters are certified mass murderers, rapists, and child molesters"

LOL

Get me anywhere within arms reach of a yummy crustacean and I'll prove that sucker didn't die for nothing.

Mmmmmmm.... yummy crustaceans...

[Mojo workin']

Mojo workin': I recommend you read this book it shows that "The Bell Curve" is hogwash.
http://www.amazon.com/Mismeasure-Man-St ... 841&sr=1-1

Were you in the Progressive Student Union in college? Did they storm the library and Administration building in protest of a civil rights vote that didn't go the way they thought it should have?

At a glance on Amazon.com it is easy enough to tell that this book is a liberal temper tantrum thrown against things such as the Bell Curve and other unpopular, politically incorrect pieces of hard science. I don't like everything that hard science says either, but I don't whine about its conclusions. The Bell Curve 'hogwash'? I can see what philosophical stripe this claim comes from.

Easty621.....I recommend you read The Bell Curve. Breathe in its ethereal scent of truth and hard science.

[eupher61]

Wow. "The Bell Curve".

The Bell Curve has been roundly deemed disreputable by many, many, psychologists and educators. I won't say "most" because I don't know the ratio.

It comes down to nature v. nurture. And, I'd guess it's about a 50/50 split a lot of the time. Again, I don't say most, because...

[Easty621]

Judge for yourself whether this is a "liberal temper tantrum thrown against things such as the Bell Curve and other unpopular, politically incorrect pieces of hard science."
Here's Gould's article on "The Bell Curve".
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/course ... eball.html

[SplatterTone]

Just for the sake of accuracy:
The bell-shaped curve isn't hogwash, carwash, backwash, whitewash, or any kind of wash. It's a graphical representation of statistical data after the data has been run through formulas to compute mean and standard deviation. A quick read at Wikipedia should clear some things up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution

Now, if there are some peeves about assigning grades to force things to fall into a bell-shaped distribution with (I assume) "C" as the mean, then I think it is appropriate to question that. Back when I did adjunct teaching of Math at the local community college, I knew what I was doing, knew that I wrote good tests, and knew that I did a reasonably good job of preparing students for the tests. So, students got what they got. No curving was done. No curving was required. I would question the competence of a teacher who relies on bell-curving grades.

And, I think my top annoyance, especially considering the season, is that class of voters who congregrate in the extreme ends of their parties, tend have a disproportionate influence, and often leave us stuck with candidates that make one wish the ballot had "none of the above" as a choice.

[eupher61]

no, a bell curve isn't hogwash. "The Bell Curve", with which you must not be familiar, is.

[Mojo workin']

no, a bell curve isn't hogwash. "The Bell Curve", with which you must not be familiar, is.

No, The Bell Curve isn't hogwash, fear of its conclusions, is.

But then we should probably debate what "is" is. Shouldn't we?

[windshieldbug]

But then we should probably debate what "is" is. Shouldn't we?

That IS facetious!

[MartyNeilan]

But then we should probably debate what "is" is. Shouldn't we?

That IS facetious!

I'm still just trying to figure out what it is.

[KevinMadden]

But then we should probably debate what "is" is. Shouldn't we?

That IS facetious!

I'm still just trying to figure out what it is.

"Hip it is...what it is"