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MartyNeilan · Post by **MartyNeilan** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:15 pm

"It's not going to fit into the standard garage," said Mark Oberle, a spokesman for Navistar, based in Warrenville, Ill., outside Chicago. "We can see it a as a vehicle for business people who want to make distinct impression. For personal use, it's for people who want to make a statement."

http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/13/pf/auto ... /index.htm

ThomasDodd · Post by **ThomasDodd** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:07 pm

MartyNeilan wrote:"It's not going to fit into the standard garage,"
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Looks sweet. Leather seating, DVD, and 6-ton cargo. Since I don't have a garage, that's not a problem:)

Not many mommies are going to try driving one though.

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:24 pm

This is exactly what I need! Another behemoth SOB on the road to look up to while I try to enjoy a drive in my MG Midget! Where's the DOT when we really need them? This has gotten totally out of hand.

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:25 pm

Just the thing for a trip to the supermarket.

How many gallons to the mile does this beast get?

Leland · Post by **Leland** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:54 pm

MartyNeilan wrote:"For personal use, it's for people who want to make a statement."

And that statement might have something to do with......??

(Honda Civic driver myself.. lol)

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:01 pm

bloke wrote:Regardless of its affordability or practicality, that has to be the ugliest p.o.s. built for sale to the consumer market that I've ever seen.

No uglier than this:

http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yah ... 165x82.jpg

ThomasDodd · Post by **ThomasDodd** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:12 am

harold wrote:You have to wonder how stupid they think the consumers are to buy such ugly pieces of crap.

I only purchase vintage American iron.

Amen to that. Nice thing about vintage is you can work on the damned thigs. Room, parts, and info all available.

Leland · Post by **Leland** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:48 pm

It's a little out of date, but it's the nicest picture I've taken so far.

Such an ugly duckling....

Leland · Post by **Leland** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:49 pm

bloke wrote:
Such an ugly duckling....
What happened to the back of it...It appears to be missing.

Hehe... at least it makes good use of the airspace from the roofline to the bumper... Still plenty of parts for it, though (some in better taste than others). Like it or not, I'll always be a hatchback guy.

Who can think of any other PRODUCTION car EVER MADE that was THIS cool?

I gotta say -- that year, plus the '68 and the '62 (even with its "half-stingray" styling), are easily my favorite Vettes. I'm going to miss the popup headlights.

I'll always have a soft spot for Porsches and older Z-cars, too. Plus Cobras, Sevens (Caterham & Lotus), and a few others.

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:23 pm

harold wrote:You have to wonder how stupid they think the consumers are to buy such ugly pieces of crap.

I only purchase vintage American iron.

You mean like a Gremlin? Now... there was ugly! Or how 'bout maybe an AMC Pacer?

cjk · Post by **cjk** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:41 am

How about new and ugly? The successor (failure-or?) to the El Camino and Ranchero....

Dean · Post by **Dean** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:12 am

Vehicles get you from A to B.

Ugly, pretty, who cares? As long as it gets you there, and can do whatever work you need it to do...

Given the current gas prices, hybrids are about the only vehicles looking good to me.

Leland · Post by **Leland** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:20 pm

Dean wrote:Ugly, pretty, who cares? As long as it gets you there, and can do whatever work you need it to do...

Yup, although I like to enjoy mine whether it's moving or sitting still.

I don't have a whole lot that's entirely "mine" (and with payments, even that is debatable), but doggone it, I'm going to have my fun.

Speaking of hybrids, I would've probably gotten an Insight if 1) I was able to test drive one, 2) my tubas could fit, and 3) the current Si didn't exist.

Leland · Post by **Leland** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:04 pm

Since I'd have to fill up once a month instead of every couple weeks, I'd notice a more immediate effect of the higher efficiency. The difference would pay for a cheap date.

Plus, getting carpool lane privileges is another bonus (even if it's rumored to be temporary, at least until there are tons of hybrids out there).

Besides, the MSRP of the hybrid Civic is just as much as my Si. But, even though the Si has extras like a sunroof and a fast motor (not counting what I've added to mine), dealers have been willing to knock down the price into the 17's simply because Americans still don't like hatchbacks.

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:25 pm

PhilW. wrote:Hybrids don't really save you that much money. I have seen several examples, and given the price difference between a Honda Civic Hybrid and just a regular Civic, you'd have to drive 75,000 miles until you finally paid for the difference between the two.
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Worth a read:

http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/portal/a ... fault.aspx

Mudman · Post by **Mudman** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:54 am

Beta vs VHS.

Don't buy new technology too soon, or you will be left holding the bag.

I'm waiting for hydrogen powered cars. Until then, I will continue riding my RZ500 two-stroke racing motorcycle that leaves a nice trail of blue smoke.

tubaman5150 · Post by **tubaman5150** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:20 am

next logical step in suv's........

Leland · Post by **Leland** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:51 pm

I've always felt that the larger H2 was somehow less intimidating than the original version.

Maybe it's because of the softer edges, high hood, and the fact that you never see an H2 in camouflage paint with a 50-cal on the top.

Oh, and hybrid warranties --

Toyota's is 10 years/100,000 miles, and Honda's is 8/80,000.

Considering that I keep my cars for a LONG time, battery replacement is definitely something I'd have to set myself up for.

ken k · Post by **ken k** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:43 pm

bloke wrote:
Such an ugly duckling....
What happened to the back of it...It appears to be missing.
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Going the other way...

Can anyone think of a nicer-looking car than this:

- vintage, yet sleek
- sleek, yet muscular
- very feminine shape, yet very masculine
- completely impractical, yet completely desirable

( '67 427 'vette convertable with stinger [accomodating the HUGE engine] hood and side-pipes)

Who can think of any other PRODUCTION car EVER MADE that was THIS cool?

I will agree. The only other cars that come close to those 63 - 67 vettes are the same vintage Jaguar E-types (sorry I don't have a picture.) They just remind me of a beautiful woman.

ken k

Doug@GT · Post by **Doug@GT** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:45 am

schlepporello wrote:I'll take one!
Can I get it with Photon Torpedoes?

Maybe on this one:

This car just says "pfft" to all others. http://www.roadsquadron.com/Cars/Hwing/

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