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iiipopes wrote:VoiceOfReason -- you are out of line. I'm sure he is doing a proper warmup and is trying his best to do what the conductor wants, or he wouldn't be posting.

We are talking physical limitations here, and risk of permanent injury, not lack of desire, fortitude, nor attitude.

I encourage you to apologize or otherwise moderate or retract your post.
No, James said he has no time to warm up before the rehearsal, and implied that he doesn't do any warm up before his classes either.

Maybe the tone was terse, but VoR's message was right on.
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iiipopes wrote:VoiceOfReason -- you are out of line. I'm sure he is doing a proper warmup and is trying his best to do what the conductor wants, or he wouldn't be posting.
Excuse me, but I could have sworn:
tubashaman wrote: I cant warm up, everyday I have class from 8-11:30, and dont get to the band hall till 11:45, band starts normally after I get my instrument out, so no time for long tones really
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As always, James...where...is...your...teacher? ...seriously.

iiipopes, there are only two mods on this forum, and you are not one of them - relax. I'm sure James is used to wearing his flame-retardant pj's when he posts on here instead of practicing or sleeping.

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Eric "feeling that ACU should pay the TNFJ a stipend" L.
Brother, you said a mouthful!!!!!!!!!!!

See you SUNDAY.

Oh yeah, James,take a couple of days off, go out on a date, get away from the computer, live a little, ask your teacher, have a beer, go stare at the horizon, listen to something that doesn't have a tuba in it, play "capture the flag" in your local Wal-Mart, visit an old person at a local rest home, read a book, get enlightened, brush up on your Sarte, your spelling, do your laundry, in short GIVE THE TUBA, AND YOUR BRAIN, A REST.

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Got to agree with the early morning warm-up suggestions.

I don't have class until 10, but get in at 8 each morning for an hour long warm-up with the trombones and it has increased my abilities to do just about anything on the tuba dramatically. Trying to jump into hard rep without a warm-up is a dangerous and unwise thing. What time does your music school open in the morning? maybe 7-ish? get up, head down, play some long-tones and flexibility exercises (in a pattern of ascending difficulty of course) warm-down, and head to you other classes. you'll feel like a million buck come ensemble time.
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Post by Chuck Jackson »

Sorry for complaining geesh
Um, actually, you are whining.

Really, James, when it boils down to it, you are. Your chops hurt, so what, everyones do at times. Man up, please. I have reason to whine. I have Focal Dystonia, my career is over. Want to trade problems? I'd love to have a young face again. I'm not going to, I've moved on, in fact Eric(WakeinAZ) is buying the last of my 5 tubas this weekend. Want to trade heartaches? Get in line.

It's not that I wouldn't like you if I met you, but, man, you gotta help yourself.

BTW, never apologize for where you are going to school. It sounds bad.

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It's not a new story. Young and talented musicians who haven't learned their limitations, think their bodies are indestructable, and want to please their directors by giving 110% at any cost and suffer injuries.

Percussionists are told not to play so hard as to damage their
drum heads, but are brass players ever told not to damage their chops? As long as composers continue to push the envelope with pieces that push the musician louder and higher and beyond what should be reasonably expected and directors are more concerned with the music presentation and not the ramifications on the physical condition of their players, occupational and potentially career ending injuries will occur.

Fortunately, most older musicians have learned their limitations and adapt - as many have advised. Unfortunately for college students, there are few advocates for their well being, and they need to learn to recognize their limitations.
Work with your professor - there may be alternative ways to blow and approach your instrument that are less physically demanding. Have your professor talk to the band director. But in the end, it is your body that you need to protect,
and their is no one better to do it than you! No piece is worth the risk of injury. Good luck!
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Thanks, brother, but life is good. I get to teach and work with some of the best kids in the west. I'm taking an incredible youth orchestra to Europe, am conducting Beethoven, and have a full and lovely life. I miss the back row more than ANYONE could imagine, but I am there in spirit. So, next time you lay it down low, loud, and proud, give me a thought 'cause I'm there with you.

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Point taken. It's just that it's one thing to disagree, even strongly, and quite another to go over the line to a personal attack.

Most jury boxes have two rows of seats. Time for me to go sit on the back row now.
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tubashaman wrote:I guess I will stop posting on here to make walking AZ and Marty happy
I'll never be happy :twisted: Never!!! :twisted:
James,
If I really didn't like you, I would just ignore your posts. Go back and read the entire 3 page thread I linked to early on. Some good stuff in there.
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I have to agree with TubaLawLisa and voiceofreason. On the surface, it would appear that at least part of the issue may be resolved by planning your playing day better. I've known a lot of tubists, especially younger ones, who don't always plan their playing day, i.e., taking steps to assure they are preparing for the needs of the day, the week, the month. They simply head to the practice room (or rehearsal room) and blow. Then, when the audition comes, they say, "But I practiced, like, 4 hours a day." To which I've said once or twice, "Maybe not. You may have played for four hours a day, but if you didn't produce the desired results, your time spent was entirely ineffective." As an undergrad, I had a couple classes that started at 7:30 am. I've never been a morning person. :roll: But it only took one time for the professor to look me sternly in the eye and say (in front of the class), "There's a problem...fix it." I would echo the same words to you.

For all appearances, the fix lies in your hands. I set the alarm for 6 am so I had enough time to roll out, wake up, and get my a** to class. I invite you to consider the same possibility for yourself in planning for your daily playing demands. Your warm-up does not have to be immediately prior to rehearsal. I'd bet that if you got in 20 minutes of concentrated warm-up before your 8 am class, you'd notice a difference. Or 15 minutes...or 10.

I did a master's in performance. Then I did another in orchetsral conducting. I felt EXTREMELY well prepared to "enter the real world," toward whatever opportunity arose. I took a lot of that for granted. Six weeks after finishing the conducting degree, I was preparing a tape to send in for an audition. I asked a fellow grad student to offer his opinions on my playing. I played. He said, "Uh...I'm not sending in a tape." I felt extremely well prepared. That night, at a friend's house, I ate something that contained something to which I was extremely allergic. Things got so bad that the doctors pretty much gave me a 90/10 chance; 90% chance I would expire before the night was out, 10% chance that if I survived, it would be in a persistent vegetative state. One doctor's opinion was that if I were to wake up and be able to recognize my name, it would be a miracle. So what if I had to relearn how to speak, to walk, to hold a fork...retaining the cognitive ability to respond to my name would be a miracle compared the the outcome they expected. But...when I woke up I was pretty much all there. Except...my vital lung capacity went from 5.2 liters to 1.7 literally overnight to to a lung that ruptured under pressure. Somewhere in the midst of that, it displaced a rib (pushed it out of its cartilage socket near the spine). After a couple months, the persistent discomfort and radical change in what I was capable of producing was completely disheartening and showed no sign of turning around. I sold my horns. So it would just be conducting.

Except...I'd had a pretty photographic memory. The extreme lack of oxygen to my brain resulted in really swiss-cheesing memory. As a side note, I remembered nothing from high school; I knew when and where I went to h.s., but could not recall a single person or event from that period of time. Everything prior to the event was like that. I lost entire chunks of my childhood. Anyway, I had conducted from memory a lot. I knew Brahms 2 cold. But I was conducting a performance and got to a section just before the second ending in the first movement and lost it. It was gone. I ahd no idea where I was in the music. I don't know why it happened, but it did. I would find scores in my file cabinet and not remember that I'd ever worked on them. I once even found a score that I was certain was someone else's, because "I had never had that," but when I opened it to look for a name, there was mine. And the score was fully marked, analyzed, etc. In my handwriting. Needless to say, it was a knock to the confidence level.

Eight years later, I still experience daily side effects of that one night.

But it's time to be authentic with yourself. My situation, as much as I could say that those friends were aware of my allergy and had assured me what food was okay (and had clearly been wrong), ultimately, I am the only person who puts food in my mouth.

Once you are an adult (or for that matter, as early as you are capable of stringing together conscious thoughts), you are the only person responsible for the outcomes you experience. You are the person getting up when you do. You are the person in charge of determining your playing situation. You are the person choosing to attend rehearsal. You are the person choosing to respond to the conductor's (IMHO) unreasonable demands. You are the person choosing to travel the same daily route expecting to wind up with a different outcome.

Posting here is devoid of tone, so I invite you to consider my opinions not as chastising, but rather entirely encouraging. Your post reads as though you're the victim (loosely using that term), where these things are happening to you as though you have no part or no choice. I encourage you to work toward a paradigm shift that allows you to instead view your situation entirely in terms of what you are creating for yourself. While "there's only the here and now," if you want, or expect, a different outcome tomorrow, you must change your actions now. Reprogram yourself to think in terms of -ing, instead of -ed. It's a simple, semantic thing, but you may find a big difference in the results you're achieving.

So, yeah, short story long, you're griping a little bit. Those people in Iraq? They've got problems. You've got something you can easily impact, if not fix entirely. You're still playing, you're young. Use it wisely.

Best of luck,

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i'm a college student too and i understand how getting from classes can be crazy. i say at least for the first part of rehearsal take some notes up or down and octave so that they sit right in the fun part of the range. don't go too loud for a bit and then after you've gotten warm, you can try some low stuff. also, i've played redline and the granger and can say that the specific register isn't important enough to blow your chops. those pedals barely make it to the audience in the loud sections and are only there because band composers think about what musicians "can" do, not what they "should" do when it comes to ranges.
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