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ArnoldGottlieb wrote:I'd be interested in what this cost. Say, more or less than a Sidey Helleberg? And, are you doing it hoping it will play a certain way, or were you pretty sure before you refurbished it?
..or what it would have cost to have it duplicated. :?:
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ASTuba wrote:This is just my two cents worth, but if I were the owner of an original Helleberg and getting it restored, I wouldn't want the satin plate on it. I think it looks sharp, but an antique collectible mouthpiece like this should be in its original condition.
Hey Andy, Its okay, most folks don't know it, but the satin finish was used on the earl originals as was bright. I tend to use the satin because it helps completely diffuse or eliminate imperfections that would be impossible to hide in a bright finish. It is also a signature style I am known for that helps identify my work (not that a lot of Techs do this kind of stuff).

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Rick Denney wrote: I'm a little uncomfortable with the choice of implanting an entirely different shank, with the knurled ring not present on the original.
As you should be Rick; I would be as well. Not entirely differant, only the outside. The before image harold posted is a little misleading. See the above image where it is shown next to my original. The mouthpiece did originally have the knurled section. It had been turned down and a piece of brass slipped over and lead soldered in place. The added on brass was poorly fitted and crudely tapered. At the time they removed about a half inch from the length of the shank so to fit an Eb or F. My job in restoring the mouthpiece required the removal of the old soldered on material as well as the old solder, I turned down the remaining original shank just enough to allow for the new material to be closely and properly fitted.

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I did cut the little remaining of the waist back to the bowl in order to achieve a neat and clean fit with the new material. By doing so, I was able to hid the silver brazed joint completely.

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I made no alteration to the existing internal dimensions of the shank, back-bore or cup. The new exterior material was then machined to the same dimensions as the original design called for. So, as you can see, the end result is a mouthpiece that you would be hard pressed to tell it was ever in such a poor state as it was.

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The old "vintage" CONN-HELLEBERG mouthpieces have become so valuable and highly sought after that it is very important they be restored as close to original as possible. Doing so is a combination of technical skill with a bit of artistic flair. Its a lot of fun and a real challenge seeing how close you can hit the mark.

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Just wrapping up this loose end. The mouthpiece is completed as of last Friday. Turned out pretty nice. Feels good and will fit a proper receiver the way it did whem it was new.

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tofu wrote:I went to take it apart to fix it and ...... it was a completely sealed plastic case that the only way to get inside was to break the plastic. It was as if the manufacturer was not even going to take the chance that someone might just try to repair instead of replace it.
YOU BROKE THE SEAL!? Now you've done it! Your whole house is now radioactive! RUN (don't walk) to the nearest HazMat station for decontamination!!! :shock:
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You broke the seal?! Now this is going on your permanent record. :twisted:
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Next thing you know, he'll be tearing labels off mattresses!
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bloke wrote:Old toobuh moufpeefs fall into the category of "well-under-$500" collectables, and the overwhelming majority of toobuh playuhz fall into the "wow-me" category.

The restoration job is excellent...superb. Since the thing hasn't much value (again the "well-under...") the personal touches (at least imo) have a completely-neutral-to-possibly-slightly-positive effect on the moufpeefs's monetary value.
Thanks for the compliment Joe. :)

I understand what you mean. It helps though if one knows what such work costs prior to coming to a conclusion on the value of the completed item. In this case aprox. $150.00 for the restoration, including the plating. The completed items dimensions are based on an unaltered original and compared to a few other unaltered "moufpeefs" I have seen, played on or repaired, you and I both, would most probably have a hard time picking it out of the lot, if we could. :oops:
The only give-away is that it is fee of nicks, dents and gouges. But in the end, the owner who wanted one quite badly and received this one at little or no cost (prior to restoration) has a very nice playing piece of history that will serve them well and last possibly a life time. And at a cost that is half that of the same such items in much lesser condition, sold on the auction sights. :D smiles all around.

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Beautiful work Dan! I would really like to take a trip out your way to see some of this stuff in person. I was an auto body tech for some time, so I know what skill it takes to form metal like you do. Hat's off to you!!
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Is the mouthpiece on the right an "original" Conn Helleberg?
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Hi-
Yes, that is an original Conn Helleberg.
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jonesmj wrote:Hi-
Yes, that is an original Conn Helleberg.
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