'08 ITEC Round Up

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THE TUBA wrote:It...
The YamaYork is amazing, simply amazing. I didn't think a tuba could be worth $30,000, but I would gladly pay every penny (if, of course, I had that kind of dough to throw around). The response is phenomenal, the sound amazing, the "blow" unbelievable. It is even easy to hold compared to many of the other BATs. AND it doesn't break your legs to play, like the big Willson contrabasses.
Well, I agree that it was a really good copy of the CSO York but I can't agree that it was worth $30,000. I think for that much money, the low register should have the response of a 4/4 horn and it doesn't. As with the CSO tuba, the low register is the least responsive range. Yamaha got one thing right, the CSO York isn't a heavy tuba and there's no reason to start using thicker brass. It is a terrific instrument but I think there are tubas that will do the same job and cost a lot less.

All this said so that a young tubist somewhere doesn't spend his days thinking "Gee, if I could just get a Yamaha-York..." There are other, valid options.

I am not a M-W fan, but I felt like the Baer CC was equal in pitch, response and intonation, though it didn't pretend to try to sound like a York.

I've been fortunate to have owned some fine 6/4 tubas. Each was a match for the Yamaha-York in some ways; the main difference between the horns was the end product:
  • The Holton was a bit on the raw side, perfect for the orchestra, bad for the audition.
    The Nirschl is a great copy, individual instruments vary greatly.
    The Yorkburnner has the best low register of the bunch (at least the one I play does) and is the most overall consistant model produced.
Would I personally buy the Yamaha version for $30,000 if I had the money? No.
Would I buy the M-W Baer version if I had the money? Maybe, if I was playing in a top-ten orchestra didn't have a suitable 6/4. I don't hear a $10,000 difference.
I think I would see if there was a great Nirschl floating around or wait for the Miraphone 6/4 piston CC (the prototype at Mid-West was terrific).

The sheer number of models that Meinl Weston produces is mind numbing. Pyschologists have found that, as the number of choices increase, the ability to make a final product decision becomes less likely. I think Meinl may be at that point. They must make 10 or 12 F tuba models.

Sam Gnagey's horns were fun to play and amagingly consistant. They fall right in-between the instruments I now play and I couldn't find a need to buy one but they are definitely worth considering for someone. I wish the cosmetics were a little better but it is what it is.

Miraphone makes a consistant, dependable product. Every so often they come up with an outstanding instrument; I believe that the prototype F tuba is one of those. If you can't play it successfully in an orchestra, then something is terribly wrong.
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Agreed, Tim Northcut and his staff put on a wonderful conference. It was a lot of tuba and euphonium, but I still came away energized once I caught up on my sleep(almost there!). The lifetime achievement awards and the Phillips tribute were very well done. It was great to meet so many old friends and make new ones, this is why conferences are cool. If you don't go for "the hang", you miss a great deal.
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I'm still digging out from under from the show, but want to add my praise to Tim Northcut and his associates for putting on a great show. Also a HUGE "thank you" to the young ladies on the loading dock, to Richard Murrow's great students for their great assistance in getting us moved in, and to those who helped us load up afterwards. It was fun to be there, and I just wish I had had more time to spend with some of my friends there.

We're looking forward to the next one, but this was so well organized that it has raised the bar for all future events.

It was great to meet all of you there.

Peace.
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I'm surprised that nobody else has mentioned Harvey Phillips yet. I thought the ceremony was very, very nice, and I was inspired by Mr. Phillips' comments upon receiving the award. One of the things he said is that he, and all of us, represents every tuba player, every wind player, every musician in the world. He's absolutely right, and that's something we should always remember.
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You're welcome, Roger. You don't know me, but I'm the tuba player who bought the 2145. It was a pleasure moving so many hundred thousand dollars of tuba. :D
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Tucson?

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PWtuba wrote:I'm surprised that nobody else has mentioned Harvey Phillips yet. I thought the ceremony was very, very nice, and I was inspired by Mr. Phillips' comments upon receiving the award. One of the things he said is that he, and all of us, represents every tuba player, every wind player, every musician in the world. He's absolutely right, and that's something we should always remember.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to be there to hear those comments in person, but I can certainly find ground for agreement with that statement.
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MaryAnn wrote:Tucson?

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Yep, ITEC 2010 will be in Tuscon. See you all there!
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Following the many enquiries about my flight case at ITEC, here's the web link;

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THE TUBA wrote:The PT-6P NYE is a limited production version of the PT-6P with a few modifications/alterations to the slides. The main tuning slide "U" is wider and the 4th valve slide is longer on the NYE. Alan Baer posted this in a thread about someone selling a PT-6P with similar modifications done by Chuck Ward and Baer himself.
As far as playing goes, I like this limited edition better than the regular version, or at least the PT-6P that was on display in the Custom Music room. I thought the NYE was a little more free-blowing and and had a slightly more resonant sound. Both are very similar, and it is just personal preference as to which horn works best for each person. For me, I really dug the NY Edition.
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I have to say that New York Edition of PT-6P looks very similar to my PT-5P. I did have my main tuning slide shortened in the crook, but it looks like the original configuration of my 5P

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ValveSlide wrote:Well, no. Your tuba is all over smaller and much lighter (built during an era when different construction techniques were employed).

The NY Edition was a short lived attempt to market the PT6P under a different branding during the JA era. They were built like a Meinl Weston of the day (notice the braces, ferrules, etc...). They were even engraved/stamped other than B&S PT and then had that first marking sanded and buffed off (if you look very closely, it can be seen, best on the inside of the bell). Distributor rights, etc. were in play as were a couple of other factors.

The 5 has a similar layout as the 6, but that's pretty much it.
I beg to differ. My horn is not small and not light and is a prototype PT-5P that has almost identical specs with the PT-6P. I believe there was only one of this flavor of 5P made. There are design differences between the 6P and my 5P, but the NY Edition looks to be closer to my Prototype in design than the standard 6P. The tubist who sat next to me for many years plays a PT-6 and our horns are very similar in size with my PT-5 having a slightly larger bell.

There are many different versions of the PT-5.
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bloke wrote:...so who all ~IS~ planning to attend the 2108 ITEC ?

Count me in.....
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Where is it?

Also, what happened to Scooby Tuba? I always enjoyed his posts.
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Ok, great.

But where is it?!
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58mark wrote:There is no 2018 ITEC
bloke wrote: who all ~IS~ planning to attend the 2108 ITEC ?
By that time, it might be on Mars....
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