Small shank euph/Large shanks bass trb/Same rim. Suggestion?

manatee · Post by **manatee** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:17 am

I am currently playing on a Bach #3 and 3G, respectively, as a compromise. I used to play on a huge bass trombone mouthpiece but found it detrimental to my attempted euphonium playing to change rims dramatically. Now I have what I am looking for, as what ever practice/progress I make transfers to the other. Still it has always been said in the trombone world that the 3 is too large for tenor and too small for bass. I like the edgy, big band sound I get with the mouthpiece on bass bone, but I do not like the non-dark sound I get on the euph, (though the small throat helps with range and endurance).
Any one have a suggestions? I have a JK 4A which is a good euphonium sounding mp, and it is available in a large shank, but I didn't want to go that route, without checking here, as the throat is just like a straight hole. No dimensional change at all that I can perceive. Also anything smaller that a 3 would compromise the bass trombone. Any suggestions other than buy a big shank euph?

Jay Bertolet · Post by **Jay Bertolet** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:27 am

I can't currently access the specifications on Bach mouthpieces because the link I have to their site seems inoperable this morning. Do you consider the Schilke 51D an overly large or small mouthpiece? This is the mouthpiece that I recommend to all my euphonium students as a good mouthpiece for a relatively dark sound that still has good flexibility and high range. Most smaller mouthpieces, depending on the player of course, tend to produce a brighter sound than I like. While the 51D isn't a large bass trombone mouthpiece compared to others I've seen, it might be just large enough to fill that role. Especially since you say that you like the somewhat brighter "big band" sound on a bass trombone (more edge and bark), a smaller bass trombone mouthpiece like the 51D might work pretty well for you. Since this particular mouthpiece is available in both large and small shank, it also fits your requirement for having the same rim on both horns. Maybe worth a shot.

daktx2 · Post by **daktx2** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:10 pm

the smallest i would want to go with bass bone would be the Bach 2G, and the 3G is already smaller. you can probably get away with the 3G or even go a little smaller, but it depends on the section. if the trombones above you are all on small bore trombones, you should have no problems with blending due to the mouthpiece, but if the trombones ahead of you are on large bore trombones with big (4G, 3G) tenor mouthpieces then you might have a blending problem with anything smaller than a 2G.

manatee · Post by **manatee** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:39 pm

I was playing bass on a Stork 1S. Some people are able to jump back and forth from a 1 to a 6.5AL. If I do that, I just suck on both!
How does anyone feel about the 51D idea?

Highams · Post by **Highams** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:21 am

Yes, the Doug Elliott system really works well, not only with the huge choice of rims/cups & shanks, but finishes as well.

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Shockwave · Post by **Shockwave** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:44 pm

I use a Giardinelli 1G (eq. to Bach 1.5G) with a turned down shank for euphonium. It sounds great and works great on bass bone and euph.

-Eric

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Small shank euph/Large shanks bass trb/Same rim. Suggestion?

Small shank euph/Large shanks bass trb/Same rim. Suggestion?

Well, it's a compromise.