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tubashaman wrote:When ever I play my F tuba (haven't check the CC yet) as I noticed tonight, the rim of my MMVI Baer F touches my nose.
I used to have the first generation Baer mouthpieces. Good pieces, but I had one problem: I am not Mr. Baer. Those mouthpiece had a wider rim than the newer (and heavier) 2006 models. I literally could not get the mouthpiece to fit between mu slightly protruding chin and my nose. I ground about a 1/4 inch off all around the flying saucer shaped rim, and then had Ivan do an excellent job repolishing the mouthpieces. Voila, the mouthpiece no longer pressed against my nose. I understand the 2006 models have a slightly smaller outer rim to address this issue; perhaps the outer diameter is still too big for many of us.
P.S. Have your teacher watch you play. I have seen students try to play on one lip.
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Don't worry about it. In the long run, you'll be OK.
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bloke wrote: Find a copy of an extremely well-written book by a truly legendary musician, The Art of Brass Playing (Philip Farcas, Wind Music, 1962).

Within that book, look at the picture of AJ's embouchure (great b&w photo...utilizing one of those practice rim thingies).

Once you've seen that picture, you will probably quit worrying.
No kidding!

If you're producing the sound you want, and if you're comfortable, chances are you'll be just fine.
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Datubaplyr05 wrote:
bloke wrote:Find a copy of an extremely well-written book by a truly legendary musician, The Art of Brass Playing (Philip Farcas, Wind Music, 1962).

I believe that's Farkas
You are quite right.
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bloke wrote:
tubashaman wrote:another west tx sinus infection...
' time for another "update"...??
I'd have to say "probably so."
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TubaRay wrote:
bloke wrote:
tubashaman wrote:another west tx sinus infection...
' time for another "update"...??
I'd have to say "probably so."
I'm going in for a colonoscopy Thursday. Wednesday is going to be my "colon purge." I already rebuilt my wife's laptop from grad school and have it wi-fi ready to provide TubeNet with continuous, real-time updates while I am "busy."
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Have you read Dave Barry's description of his colonoscopy adventure? It is enough to make you choke yourself laughing.

And James...really, truly, why don't you ask your teacher these questions?

I just switched to a Giarndinelli 25, which is the narrowest cup I can find, because in the high range I have the same problem you do. However, I think my problem is because I don't practice and don't have much chop strength, and therefore have to move the cup around and get support from the rim. When I'm in better shape I don't have to do that because my lips are strong enough.

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MaryAnn wrote:I just switched to a Giarndinelli 25, which is the narrowest cup I can find, because in the high range I have the same problem you do. However, I think my problem is because I don't practice and don't have much chop strength, and therefore have to move the cup around and get support from the rim. When I'm in better shape I don't have to do that because my lips are strong enough.

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I remember dinking aroung on a Giardinelli 25 about 20 years ago. Isn't it a V cup, like most Giardinelli mouthpieces?
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Yes, it's V-ish but quite narrow. Slightly different pitch tendencies than the PT64 I've been using for years, but nothing that can't be dealt with.

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MartyNeilan wrote:I'm going in for a colonoscopy Thursday. Wednesday is going to be my "colon purge." I already rebuilt my wife's laptop from grad school and have it wi-fi ready to provide TubeNet with continuous, real-time updates while I am "busy."
It is difficult to believe how fortunate :roll: we are on TubeNet. :wink:
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tubashaman wrote:After reading part of Song and wind for a class, plus marching band, I have been closely paying attention to my embochure and such.

When ever I play my F tuba (haven't check the CC yet) as I noticed tonight, the rim of my MMVI Baer F touches my nose.

Now I know this is BAD, but when im in a higher range for a while, I shift my lips and keep them up there (Its bad right) and when playing with range shifts often allow a breath to readjust my embochure

Even with the mouthpiece against the nose, the sound is good I guess. Am I the only one who has this problem? Is this bad? What can I do? Is it just my face is in a wierd spot because of swollen lips or something

Dan Corrigan, former tubist with the Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra, uses a mouthpiece that is ground flat on one side; he always inserts the mouthpiece with the "flat side up" and the bottom of his nose "still" contacts the top of the mouthpiece. Lesson: "You gotta do what you gotta do!"
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TubaRay wrote:
MartyNeilan wrote:I'm going in for a colonoscopy Thursday. Wednesday is going to be my "colon purge." I already rebuilt my wife's laptop from grad school and have it wi-fi ready to provide TubeNet with continuous, real-time updates while I am "busy."
It is difficult to believe how fortunate :roll: we are on TubeNet. :wink:
Did this six months ago myself. The run up is a little foul but the proceedure itself is a snap. I was knocked out and woke up when it was over...

They wouldn't let me have the video of it, though.... :cry:
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bloke wrote:Within that book, look at the picture of AJ's embouchure (great b&w photo...utilizing one of those practice rim thingies).

Once you've seen that picture, you will probably quit worrying.
I haven't worried much about emouchure since my brass methods class used that book and I saw that picture. I remember thinking at the time: "how in the he!! can he play like that?"

As someone else said: if there's no pain, you sound good, and your set-up isn't prejudicial to your range, what's the problem again?

In the immortal words of Mr. P: You're thinking too much. Don't think. Just play.
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