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[Todd S. Malicoate]

The piece you're referring to is actually called "Fanfare Pour Précéder La Péri"...it's a rental from Durand. You can buy a score here, though, and "copy out" the tuba part.

It might irritate them a bit for people to be illegally scanning the parts into PDFs and freely distributing them around the internet.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

You did not specify whether you wanted the original eleven-part tuba part or the five-part tuba part.

Well..."popular" and "brass ensemble" were pretty clear to me.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

I am not always sure that people really know what it is they want exactly on this site, but since Sean places zero value on grammar and spelling, content is not to be touched either, I suppose. So you have to ask some questions that seem to be pretty obvious just to be sure. And I am not really certain that the original is available for purchase. It might be rental. But probably not. Either way, it is a no-no…

You are correct, the full piece (score and parts) is a rental from Durand, but the score only is available for purchase at the link I provided above.

And one thing you can be sure of...I was being a sarcastic *** in my last post. Cheers!

[imperialbari]

As the selling company referred to gives a peek of the opening page of the score, it hardly will be illegal to link to that page:




Looks very much like written for the French C tuba.

K

[jacojdm]

The piece you're referring to is actually called "Fanfare Pour Précéder La Péri"...it's a rental from Durand.

You are correct, the full piece (score and parts) is a rental from Durand, but the score only is available for purchase at the link I provided above.

While it may be available as a rental, it's most certainly available for outright purchase. Hal Leonard imports Durand publications. It's item number 50560094, and is available for $15.95. It's described as "Original Edition. Instrumentation: 3 Trumpets, 4 Horns, 3 Trombones and 1 Tuba." This is only for the set of parts. The score is an additional $5.95, item number 50561000. I'm looking at the HL dealer site, and they say both pieces are in stock. I'm sure that your local music store will be more than happy to order you a copy.

[BVD Press]

I don't know for sure, I would guess the rental is for the whole ballet. Since the piece is in the public domain, I cannot up with any reason why someone would rent or the company would rent just the Fanfare?

How about a version for Tuba/Euph Choir? It might even work!

[JB]

You did not specify whether you wanted the original eleven-part tuba part or the five-part tuba part.

Hey Elephant...

I’m not sure, but when I disassemble my tuba for cleaning it seems to have more than eleven parts. What version should I be looking for in that case?

[imperialbari]

What version should I be looking for in that case?

Is that case a flight case?

K

[Todd S. Malicoate]

I don't know for sure, I would guess the rental is for the whole ballet.

http://www.durand-salabert-eschig.com/e ... .php?id=72
Both the entire ballet and the fanfare only are listed under "Music for Rental" on the above linked website. Whether offering a public domain piece for rental which is also available for purchase elsewhere is scummy or not I will leave for you to decide.

The fanfare is listed under Dukas on the IMSLP site (here), but the pdf of the score is not available "because the file you requested has not been reviewed for copyright, or is currently restricted due to technical reasons." Interesting...I wonder why it would be restricted, assuming it is in the public domain. The ballet is available on IMSLP as a viewable, printable PDF (here). Alas, the fanfare isn't a part of that file.

[BVD Press]

I think that all of Dukas' works are copyrighted and aggressively protected by his estate. Like Holst. Those folks are fanatics! Leroy Anderson's estate are zealous copyright defenders. Post an arrangement of Sleigh Ride online somewhere and see how quickly you get a Cease and Desist letter! Not everything falls into public domain at the dates we would expect. Copyrights that have been maintained for generations might be Grandfathered if they would normally be forced into giving up the rights. I do not know. But some very old music is still under copyright according to the Harry Fox agency. The bulk of the music of "Mr. Duck ***" might still under protection because of Sorcerer's Apprentice and "Fantasia" and all that. Maybe someone who knows International Copyright convention will step into the room and set us all straight. I also know that many French houses are VERY aggressive in copyright protection.

Simply put, copyrights are a pain in the butt to deal with! Every country is different which also adds to the muck. In the US, you can go by this simple rule:

If you can find a version a of a piece that has the copyright date of 1922 or earlier, it is public domain. If not, you may need to do some research. If a piece was written in 1915, but not published until 1935 that date is 1935 and therefore copyrighted.

Another issue: Just because all of Bach's, Handel's, etc. works are Public Domain it does not mean the version you have is public domain. Find one with a date before 1923 and you are cool!

[BVD Press]

More copyright info:

http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/" target="_blank

http://www.bromsun.com/practices/copyri ... wchart.htm" target="_blank

[BVD Press]

Not sure about other countries, but in the US if you find anything with a before 1923 you are good to go. Many pieces are public domain, but a specific version may not be because it was published after 1923.

I do know some countries go by the composers death date rather than a publication. Basically if a piece is PD in England it may not be here in the US. It is all too complicated for my little brain.

[Rick Denney]

Some estates of deceased composers renew copyrights on the their family member's entire catalogue of works on a regular basis so that it is forever copyrighted.

Before the law changed in 1979, U.S. copyrights had a term of 28 years and could only be renewed once. Thus, anything copyrighted in the U.S. before 1923 (56 years prior to that change in the law) would have gone into the public domain before that law took effect. Once in the public domain, always in the public domain, with very few exceptions. Stuff copyrighted up to 1951 might have gone into the public domain if the original copyright was not renewed. That's why if it has a U.S. copyright notice and a date prior to 1923, it's golden, but if the date is between 1923 and 1951, then more research is needed. If the date is later than that, it was still protected when the new law took effect.

The law aligned U.S. copyright protections with international laws, and anything still protected by copyright when it took effect in 1979 would have been subject to the new law. The protection is NOT renewable, but it did provide protection for a period of 70 years following the death of the author, or 70 years following the publication data for anonymous works or works for hire. That has been increased, mostly because Disney doesn't want to lose the copyright on Mickey Mouse. I think it's over 100 years now. Something that was published in late 1923 that was still protected in 1979 would have had the protection period increase AT LEAST to 1993, and possibly much later, depending on the publication date or the dates of the author. And I seem to recall that the law has changed to increase that term before anything lapsed into the public domain.

Stuff published prior to 1979 was required to have a copyright notice to establish protections. After that time, that was no longer a requirement, though it did shift the burden of proof in an infringement case. For example, some of the uncopyrighted service manuals for my mid-70's motorhome are now in the public domain because they did not include notices when they were published.

So: U.S. copyright notice prior to 1923--now public domain and no longer protected.
U.S. copyright notice 1923-1951--possibly public domain if the original copyright was never renewed.
U.S. copyright notice later than 1951--still protected.
No copyright notice, but published in the U.S. prior to 1979--now public domain, but you may get the opportunity to prove that it had no notice in court.
No copyright notice, but published after 1979--protected.

Thus, the only thing you can be sure about is the stuff with a copyright notice prior to 1923. Everything else requires research.

Rick "thinking the original purpose of copyright law, which is to make stuff available to the public, has been subverted" Denney

[jacojdm]

FYI After this discussion arose, I ordered a copy of the score and the parts from Hal Leonard with our daily order on Monday. It arrived today.
I'm confident that your local music store could do the same.

[Mike Forbes]

Bryan:

John Stevens has already done a version of Fanfare La Peri for 8-part tuba ensemble...it sort of works. A bit muddy for my tastes, but to make it less muddy, the euph's would be screaming and you'd need some serious horses on tuba. The chords (as you know) are a bit full.

Mike