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TMurphy wrote:
JPNirschl wrote:Barack Hussein Obama, who is REALLY not African American but Arabic-American, if indeed he's American
The man's father was born in Kenya. Which, last time I looked at a map, is in Africa.

His mother was from Kansas. Yep, map says that's in America.

He was born in Hawaii. Yep, also America.

I'd say that makes him pretty solidly African-American, if anyone is.

What, other than the middle name Hussein, is your basis for saying he is Arabic??? By your definition, would Muhammad Ali (born and raised in Louisville, KY) be Arabic as well???
I think he's implying that anyone with the middle name 'Hussein' is somehow connected with Saddam Hussein, and ipso facto, cannot possibly be 'real' American. :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
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It's obvious that Barack Hussein Obama is African, but is he really American?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd5gm8XKv_w

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Greg wrote:
TMurphy wrote:
JPNirschl wrote:Barack Hussein Obama, who is REALLY not African American but Arabic-American, if indeed he's American
The man's father was born in Kenya. Which, last time I looked at a map, is in Africa.

His mother was from Kansas. Yep, map says that's in America.

He was born in Hawaii. Yep, also America.

I'd say that makes him pretty solidly African-American, if anyone is.

What, other than the middle name Hussein, is your basis for saying he is Arabic??? By your definition, would Muhammad Ali (born and raised in Louisville, KY) be Arabic as well???
Born in Hawaii, also raised in the US.....doesn't that make him American? Maybe with some African relatives?

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Agreed. Where does Arabic enter into the equation??
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Dylan King wrote:It's obvious that Barack Hussein Obama is African, but is he really American?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd5gm8XKv_w

Hosea 7:8 “ Ephraim has mixed himself among the peoples;
Ephraim is a cake unturned.
9 Aliens have devoured his strength,
But he does not know it;

Yes, gray hairs are here and there on him,
Yet he does not know it.
10 And the pride of Israel testifies to his face,
But they do not return to the LORD their God,
Nor seek Him for all this."
:roll: :roll: :roll: must... resist... must... resist...

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TubaRay wrote:
The Big Ben wrote:I don't think it is really necessary to scrutinize whatever comes out of Lindsay Lohan's mouth because she is a marginal actress and has gained much of her notoriety through drunken behavior and getting in and out of cars sans underwear. She's a ditz and wouldn't understand if it all was explained to her.
I would hope you have found something all of us TubeNetters can agree on. I can only wonder why anyone cares what she has to say.
people (read gossip media) only care what she has to say, as the chance of her saying something stupid is soooooooo high.
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Dylan King wrote:It's obvious that Barack Hussein Obama is African, but is he really American?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd5gm8XKv_w
Yup.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi ... ficate.asp" target="_blank
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I am a Northern-European-American.... Too many syllabels.

He is an African-American....Too many syllables.

I am white, he is black, we are both Americans!




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rocksanddirt wrote:
TubaRay wrote:
The Big Ben wrote:I don't think it is really necessary to scrutinize whatever comes out of Lindsay Lohan's mouth because she is a marginal actress and has gained much of her notoriety through drunken behavior and getting in and out of cars sans underwear. She's a ditz and wouldn't understand if it all was explained to her.
I would hope you have found something all of us TubeNetters can agree on. I can only wonder why anyone cares what she has to say.
people (read gossip media) only care what she has to say, as the chance of her saying something stupid is soooooooo high.
You are soooooooo right!
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As a culture we still grappling with our previous history of "Racism" and the fact that most cultures of the world are still racist.

Scientifically we are all humans. Yet, for some of us, our physical and ethnic characteristics are significant and affect our belief systems regarding a person's character and capabilities. Since all humans can interbreed, what is really being discussed is not "race" but genealogy, ethnology and how people refer to themselves or want others to refer to their genetic and ethnic histories. For many people this is a touchy subject and possibly some are overly preoccupied with the subject.
As an arrogant young computer scientist, I believed that if there is any decision that you can't figure out how to program, the question is wrong. I couldn't figure out how to program racial classification, so I concluded that there isn't such a thing. I subsequently reviewed some scientific literature that confirmed this impression. “Race” is, at best, a fuzzy concept about typical physical characteristics of certain populations. At worst, of course, it provides a basis for more contemptible conduct than any concept other than religion. In answer to the race question on the security form, I decided to put “mongrel.” It would have been slightly less provocative had I said “human,” but I've always enjoyed diddling forms a bit.
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Personally I don't know my pedigree with sufficient accuracy, so I check "other", "none of the above" or write in "mongrel" when forms ask for my ethnicity or race. Someday these questions will stop appearing on forms.

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bloke wrote:When forced to fill in a blank on a form where it requires me to state my race, I *always* choose "Native American".

It is the *absolute* truth, and (who knows?) it might make be eligible for "free treats" that come out of all of your collective pockets. :wink:
"Native American" is a designation that would be true for the vast majority of Americans. I, too, am one. I am a native of America!
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OK...I now have 2 foes on my list.

I cannot stand prejudicial verbage, racial or religious or gender or whatever. There have been 2 posts in this thread which cause me to "foe" the two posters.
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eupher61 wrote:I cannot stand prejudicial verbage, racial or religious or gender or whatever. There have been 2 posts in this thread which cause me to "foe" the two posters.
I guess you thought it would help to announce that, but really, I went to the trouble to skim over the whole thing, and couldn't guess which two of us offended you. Maybe you're better at sensing these problems, but that still leaves the less sensitive of us out here wondering what the heck is up with eupher61. I'm inclined to think it's more likely that you misread something.

It's kind of hard to tell, really. I mean, some people are lying when they proclaim they don't notice any difference. Others are kind of tough on certain racially sensitive topics, but may have a much more open mind on a very real level, than others who talk nice but aren't really confronted with the need to put their beliefs into practice. I wouldn't put much stock in what people say. Probably you ought to have a lot more people on your foes list than you know about.
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I like to put "no thank you" in the box for race. In the box for sex I often write "please".
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tubatooter1940 wrote:I like to put "no thank you" in the box for race. In the box for sex I often write "please".
I like that very much. I may steal your idea. Of course, you are probably adding your name to someone's foe list.
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Dylan King wrote:It's obvious that Barack Hussein Obama is African, but is he really American?

I must admit I didn't look at your video link, nor do I wish to.

I am also assuming that YOUR ancestry is 100% Native American? People sometimes forget how young this nation is...
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bloke wrote: I dunno about Dylan, but I am 100% native American, because I was born in America. Therefore, I am a native of America.
This also describes me. I am 100% native American. In fact, the first time I ever left the boundaries of the state of Texas, I was 18 years old. I submit that made me not only 100% native American, but also qualified me as someone who didn't get out much.
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...once again;

"Yawn"

but at least this thread does make for some interesting google ads. :roll:
Africa?....hell, I'm still trying to finally get west of the Mississippi :shock:
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Tubaryan12 wrote: I'm still trying to finally get west of the Mississippi
A few of your mouthpieces have made it. :?
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Tubaryan12 wrote:...once again;
"Yawn"
but at least this thread does make for some interesting google ads. :roll:
Africa?....hell, I'm still trying to finally get west of the Mississippi :shock:
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I'd really like to just call you "American," if that's alright, Ryan. "Fellow tuba player" comes to mind. Perhaps even "friend" might be appropriate. You are a real American, I think, not a hyphenated one.
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SplatterTone wrote:
Tubaryan12 wrote: I'm still trying to finally get west of the Mississippi
A few of your mouthpieces have made it. :?
If I could only fit in that small box.....
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Tubaryan12 wrote:...once again;
"Yawn"
but at least this thread does make for some interesting google ads. :roll:
Africa?....hell, I'm still trying to finally get west of the Mississippi :shock:
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I'd really like to just call you "American," if that's alright, Ryan. "Fellow tuba player" comes to mind. Perhaps even "friend" might be appropriate. You are a real American, I think, not a hyphenated one.

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