Update Update

[SplatterTone]

Shopping to replace the wife's stolen car (96 Sentra), I went to look at a 98 Sentra with 115K miles advertised on craigslist by a small car lot stuck back in an industrial park. I didn't expect anyone to be there, it being new year's day. But people were there. The Sentra was sold, but they had a black 2001 Mazda 626 that was well preserved for $3,000. The wife didn't hesistate to express her approval. So, it's now in the driveway.

[SplatterTone]

Was the stolen car never recovered?

Nope. I don't expect it will be either. Since the car was more than 10 years old, no proof of ownership is required to sell it to a scrap yard, and the scrap yard is not required to check on it. Effective laws we have here. Yes indeed. On top of that, Oklahoma "law enforcement" usually takes a very casual attitude toward property crime. Which probably explains, at least in part, the fact that Oklahoma City and Tulsa are both high crime areas.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Oklahoma "law enforcement" usually takes a very casual attitude toward property crime.

UPDATE:

Word on the street is that the police forces of nearly all states share that view.

You have been updated.

[SplatterTone]

Word on the street is that the police forces of nearly all states share that view.

"nearly" does not have much meaning, kind of ambiguous. The property crime rate in NYC is very, low -- burglary less than 1/6 of Tulsa and overall property crime about 1/4. I'll leave it to you to check the FBI Uniform Crime Report charts and do the calculation of incidents per 100,000 population, which is the standard measure. Chart for 2007 is here:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_06.html
If you take the time, you can find quite a few big cities than have managed their crime much better than Oklahoma's metropolitan areas have managed theirs. Tulsa is among the worst in the country for property crime.

Here is another fine example. And this is in the "nice" part of town.
http://tinyurl.com/89rucq

now, YOU have been updated.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

UPDATE:

From Merriam-Webster:
nearly:
1: in a close manner or relationship <nearly related>
2 a: almost but not quite <nearly identical> <nearly a year later>
b: to the least extent <not nearly as good as we expected>

Definition 2a is what I meant when I said "nearly all." I knew that if I said "all," someone would provide statistics to the contrary. There may actually be one state where police make an extra effort to recover stolen property in all reported cases, but I haven't lived there. On the other hand, I haven't lived everywhere, nor have I had property stolen in every state to test the effectiveness of the police.

I'm not a big fan of statistics to establish how good or bad a place's crime rate is. In any given year, If one car is stolen in a city of 300, is that really worse that 10,000 cars stolen in a city of 2,000,000?

All that said, I am truly sorry for your loss. I don't understand why living in a "high-crime" city would make you feel any better or worse about being the victim of theft. Perhaps you should consider migrating south with the other large percentage of Tulsa residents to the glorious suburbs of Broken Arrow, Jenks, or Bixby. Mayor Kathy Taylor certainly wants you to.

Stay tuned for further updates as they are required...

[SplatterTone]

Perhaps you should consider migrating south

Perhaps you should take your half-assed attempts at pseudo-intellectualism somewhere else. I'm really not in the mood for it. It's obvious you haven't looked up the numbers. If you want to do the research on the numbers and speak from somewhere besides the backend of your conceited ***, be my guest.

As far as moving: Some people have more than a big mouth and an apartment, so there's a little more to moving than just strapping on a neck brace to keep the alligator mouth from overloading the hummingbird ***, then shuffling over to another apartment.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Perhaps you should take your half-assed attempts at pseudo-intellectualism somewhere else. I'm really not in the mood for it. It's obvious you haven't looked up the numbers. If you want to do the research on the numbers and speak from somewhere besides the backend of your conceited ***, be my guest.

As far as moving: Some people have more than a big mouth and an apartment, so there's a little more to moving than just strapping on a neck brace to keep the alligator mouth from overloading the hummingbird ***, then shuffling over to another apartment.

Wow...seems like an over-reaction to me. I didn't mean to touch a nerve, and I'm sorry it came out that way. Perhaps you missed the part of my post where I said I was sorry for your loss? It was sincere.

I looked at the numbers in your link, and of course I believe they are valid. Tulsa's rate of 3813.3 property crimes per 100,000 inhabitants is higher that I would have thought. My point was that I don't think that statistics in general relate well to single experiences, that's all. I certainly agree with you that the trend is to the worse, and that things are much worse in Oklahoma's big cities than its rural areas.

I wasn't seriously saying you should move...it just seems to be a hot topic these days on Tulsa talk radio, which I listen to frequently.

Your personal insults toward me (completely unnecessary) notwithstanding, I will still respond by apologizing for any ill feelings...they were not intended. Wow.

[SplatterTone]

Wow...seems like an over-reaction to me.

That's a product of your conceit. You can't mouth off and then be the official arbiter of what is the correct reaction.

I didn't mean to touch a nerve, and I'm sorry it came out that way.

You were just being your normal obnoxious, conceited self.

Tulsa's rate of 3813.3 property crimes per 100,000 inhabitants

Learn to read a graph and get the right numbers. 24,044 / 3.81469 = 6,303 per 100K overall property crime. 6,843 / 3.81469 = 1794 per 100K burglary. (8062 and 2183 for Memphis, by the way)

My point was that I don't think that statistics in general relate well to single experiences,

I don't give a **** what you think. I really don't. Never have.

Your personal insults toward me

They're not insults. They are facts.
Speaking of insults: Don't try to insult my intelligence with some stupid bullshit routine of flashing the baby blue eyes "Who? Innocent little me? I was just trying to be nice."

[rocksanddirt]

this week....

I took the tuba in to have the 4th valve fixed (post sheared off).

Had lunch with friend I've not seen in quite some time

fixed up the chicken coop at 'kids school

tomorrow I'm going to excavate/clean out a drainage area at school (with an excavator! big fun with heavy equipment!)

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Tulsa's rate of 3813.3 property crimes per 100,000 inhabitants

Learn to read a graph and get the right numbers. 24,044 / 3.81469 = 6,303 per 100K overall property crime. 6,843 / 3.81469 = 1794 per 100K burglary. (8062 and 2183 for Memphis, by the way)

Yeah, I was looking at the last row which included the more rural counties around Tulsa...that obviously lowered the totals quite a bit. 6,303 incidents per 100,000 inhabitants is sad, indeed, and not what Tulsa used to be when I was young.

Sorry, but I don't see how you can use words like "half-assed," "pseudo-intellectualism," and "conceited ***" then claim they aren't insults but "facts." That's just plain rude. It's too bad that it's come to this - I was initially trying to agree with your point about police not following up on property loss reports (I've experienced that myself) and just add that's it's not a phenomenon restricted to Oklahoma.

However, if you are that resentful of me and my "normal obnoxious, conceited self," I suggest the Foe button as an alternative to having to read my posts at all. Again, sorry to have caused you such offense.

[Kayla]

UPDATE:

Christmas went really well, everyone satisfied with the results.

My boyfriend proposed to me, so now I'm engaged

I got back from Christmas Part Deux (my fiance's dad's house in VA) yesterday evening, had a wondering evening with him and a couple of good friends playing video games and watching New Year festivities on the boob tube.

Took a nap today, played with my cats.

Life is good in western Maryland.

[Kayla]

UPDATE:
My boyfriend proposed to me, so now I'm engaged

Congratulations Kayla!
Best wishes to you and your beau.

Thanks!
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Another Update: I just finished a several hour long search for music to play next semester. Good stuff out there.

[TubaRay]

UPDATE:

Congratulations, Kayla!

[bearphonium]

Update:
Property crime is not as serious as person crime. A lot of LE time is spend dealing with people who hurt people (even though that particular crime might be as misdemeanor) as opposed to hunting for stolen property.

That said, if the resources are available, property crimes are pretty easy to solve, if you can dedicate the man hours to it. This includes crimes such as identity theft and forgery, along with simple theft, burglary and the like. You can (and I have) spent 60 hours tracking down one person who stole one book of checks, and wrote almost 100K of bad checks in 5 jurisdictions, make the arrest, and watch the outcome: Plead guilty to 5 offenses, 6 months in jail, and fines which will never be collected.

I cannot speak for large, urban areas. I work in a county the size of Connecticut that is over 50% forest land (which cannot be taxed) with an unincorporated urban population of 114K that has .20 deputies per 1000 people (recommended is 1.25 per 1000) that has a jail that can hold 48 local offenders (recommended is 1200) and that has a DA's office that can only prosecute serious person crimes. Our office has 15 patrol deputies, 2 detectives, 6 contract city deputies. We don't investigate a lot of property crimes, because even when you catch them, they don't stay in jail and are not prosecuted.

23 years as a deputy, 21 as a street cop and I know I'm a little jaded, but most of it is just stuff. The execption is the metal theft that is rampant right now, mostly because of the losses resulting from the theft of the wire. 100 dollars of copper wire cost 10,000 in loss to our local food bank. The city is out about 50K as the result of 200 dollars of copper wire in the lights at one of the sports complexes. And we can't get the scrap yards to not take the stuff. I am so certain that the one toothed twitchy guy with running sores came by that pick-up load of burned copper wire honestly, helping his cousin with the construction sites...yea, right.

Ally"who wrote and deleted three different invites to flame, and will just go play her tuba now"House

Oh, yea, and congrats, Kayla!

[The Big Ben]

My boyfriend proposed to me, so now I'm engaged

Congrats.

Perhaps you could have him join TubeNet so all of your "older uncles" here could quiz him and make sure that he is good enough for you...

[MartyNeilan]

fixed up the chicken coop at 'kids school

Is the band having another of those "live chicken sale" fundraisers again?

[windshieldbug]

Kayla,
Congrats!

and perhaps it's better to keep Tubenet a secret (for now)
Mike

[Rick Denney]

UPDATE:

The last three pages of this thread have caused my head to explode. We have flipped back and forth from the best possible news (from Kayla) to someone who just needs to take a piss in public.

So much for Christmas cheer. But it does remind me of a couple of New Year's Eve parties I've been to over the years.

Rick "who appreciates when people pee in private" Denney

[windshieldbug]

Makes ME thirsty... I'M GUNNA GO GET A BEER!

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Todd S. Malicoate and SplatterTone,
I like *both* of you guys. Yes...I've been caught up in a few pissing matches in my day, but...

Have a beer, or get a room.

Yeah, I struck a nerve, and didn't mean to. Sorry, SplatterTone. I'll be in Tulsa accompanying many students for the Crescendo competition March 20 and 21...I'd love to buy you a beer (or substitute beverage of your choice) if you're able. Hope you enjoy the new vehicle.

To everyone else, sorry for continuing to respond on the thread when I should have just let it go.

And congrats to Kayla, as well...many well wishes!