Kerosene for Sluggish Rotor? Bookmark and Share

The bulk of the musical talk

Kerosene for Sluggish Rotor?

Postby Teubonium » Sun Mar 21, 2004 6:52 pm

The #3 rotor on my Mira186 is sluggish.

A fellow tubist in community band suggested a few drops of kerosene to clean it up.

Good idea or bad?

Chuck H
Last edited by Teubonium on Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Teubonium
3 valves
3 valves
 
Posts: 363
Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2004 4:07 pm
Location: Colorado

Re: Kerosene for Sluggish Rotor?

Postby WoodSheddin » Sun Mar 21, 2004 6:53 pm

Teubonium wrote:The #3 rotor on my Mira186 is sluggish.

A fellow tubist in community band suggested a few drops of kerosene to clean it up.

Good idea or bad?

Chuck H


i believe the same type of material is used to make valve oil
sean chisham
User avatar
WoodSheddin
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 1475
Joined: Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:44 pm
Location: On the bike

Yup

Postby Cesar V » Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:29 pm

Thats why most Valve oils are Flamable. I know blue juice isnt but Yahmaha's is pretty Flamable, i used it once to soak charcole before a BBQ.

----Cesar :mrgreen:
Cesar V
 

Postby DonShirer » Sun Mar 21, 2004 8:57 pm

Earlier on the original BBS, someone suggested a 7:1 mix of pure lamp oil and 3in1 oil. I tried it and it worked as well on my valves as my previous brand, but didn't seem to provide any extra cleaning action. It might work for rotors as well, but you should be sure that you don't mix it with an incompatable brand. Many posts in the archives warn against combining petroleum based and synthetic products.

Don S.
User avatar
DonShirer
4 valves
4 valves
 
Posts: 571
Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:08 am
Location: Westbrook, CT

Postby Dan Schultz » Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:52 am

Your horn probably needs to be cleaned. Normally, the rotors do not contact anywhere EXCEPT the small bearing areas on the ends of the rotor. A couple of drops of oil on the bearings and the linkage points is all that is required. If the rotors are making contact with anything, it is because of dirt, lubrication residues, or mineral deposits.
Dan Schultz
"The Village Tinker"
http://www.thevillagetinker.com
Current 'stable'... Rudolf Meinl 5/4, Marzan (by Willson) euph, King 2341, Alphorn, and other strange stuff.
User avatar
Dan Schultz
TubaTinker
TubaTinker
 
Posts: 10355
Joined: Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:46 pm
Location: Newburgh, Indiana

wow.

Postby smurphius » Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:14 am

the idea of using yamaha valve oil as a charcoal lighter fluid gives me really great mental images. haha.
smurphius
3 valves
3 valves
 
Posts: 362
Joined: Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:36 pm

Re: Kerosene for Sluggish Rotor?

Postby Dieseltuba » Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:31 am

Teubonium wrote:The #3 rotor on my Mira186 is sluggish.

A fellow tubist in community band suggested a few drops of kerosene to clean it up.


Kerosene contains carcinogens (I don't know if that is the right spelling) that are know to cause canser. If it works good for cleaning I wouldn't use it much although I no people that have worked in and around kerosene for 20 years and don't have canser. My grandfather used to put it cuts to keept them from getting sore he said and I have tryed it and it works. He didn't die of canser either at 87. I don't know, do carcinogens really cause cancer?
Dieseltuba
 

Postby Cesar V » Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:40 pm

the idea of using yamaha valve oil as a charcoal lighter fluid gives me really great mental images. haha.


Yea it was fun, especially sence my Band director is a Distributor of Yamaha products he gets cases of it!


---Cesar*not looking to burn his tuba while cooking* Vazquez
Cesar V
 

Re: Kerosene for Sluggish Rotor?

Postby Chuck(G) » Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:22 pm

Kerosene contains carcinogens


So does bacon--and the gas you pump at the self-serve is far more potent than kerosene in tems of carcinogenic potential. As are the tires on your car and the vinyl on your dashboard. If you live in a moderately polluted urban environment, so is the air you breathe and the water you drink.

It's a complex situation--your genetic makeup, the type and frequency of exposure, your age and sex, and on and on. Smoking and drinking is supposed to kill you, but lots of smokers and drinkers have hit 100.

The best way to clean up a sluggish rotary valve is to disassemble it, clean the rotor and casing and reassemble. It's not difficult.
User avatar
Chuck(G)
6 valves
6 valves
 
Posts: 5676
Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:48 am
Location: Not out of the woods yet.

Postby manganaro » Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:36 pm

ok, trust me on this DO NOT USE KEROSENE ON YOUR VALVES

...its really really stinky. Valve oil is just unsented kerosene essentially and teh stinky pure stuff is no better than a lil bit of alcass (or whatever or however its spelled)
manganaro
 

Postby Lee Stofer » Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:07 am

Does kerosene work? Probably, for a little while, but your valves will be sluggish way before the odor subsides!
If you want your instrument to last and do its best, then have it disassembled and cleaned thoroughly, and reassembled with a good, high-quality musical instrument lubricant.
It is no secret to anyone who knows me or has seen my postings, that I prefer the Hetman lubricants. I use them on every brass instrument I own, and I use it in my repair shop every day. They are non-toxic, non-carcinogenic, have no offensive odor, are compatible with traditional oils, and are formulated to last longer than traditional lubricants.
When I was retiring from the US Army and preparing to go full-time in the repair business, I bought a gallon can of generic blue juice from one of the instrument repair suppliers, thinking that that would make for a good, economical source of valve oil for my repairs. I soon became enlightened about the Hetman, and the difference in how it made the piston valves feel and work on my repair jobs was so striking that I immediately quit using the gallon of valve oil. I did put it to good use, though. I now have a non-smelly kerosene to use in the buffing room on the rouge wheel!
Lee A. Stofer, Jr.
User avatar
Lee Stofer
TubeNet Sponsor
TubeNet Sponsor
 
Posts: 906
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:50 am
Location: Eastern Iowa


Return to TubeNet

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: arul, Google [Bot], iattp, Lee Stofer, MSN [Bot], PhilSloan, SWE, tastuba and 32 guests