Sam Gnagey's 6/4 CC

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:09 am

jeopardymaster wrote:my Neptune is getting heavier or else I am getting older!

The one downside of playing a Neptune. They certainly are heavy

This Gnagey certainly looks an interesting 6/4!

GC · Post by GC » Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:35 pm

Just out of curiosity, how much does the 6/4 weigh?

Sam Gnagey · Post by **Sam Gnagey** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:30 pm

GC wrote:Just out of curiosity, how much does the 6/4 weigh?

It weighs in at just 20lbs (9.1kg).

I tried playing it on a stand with and without the belt. Subjectively, it's best off the stand with the belt.

sloan · Post by **sloan** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:40 pm

Sam Gnagey wrote:
GC wrote:Just out of curiosity, how much does the 6/4 weigh?
It weighs in at just 20lbs (9.1kg).

I tried playing it on a stand with and without the belt. Subjectively, it's best off the stand with the belt.

From the mouthpiece, or from the middle of the hall?

Allen · Post by **Allen** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:34 pm

Neptune wrote:
jeopardymaster wrote:my Neptune is getting heavier or else I am getting older!
The one downside of playing a Neptune. They certainly are heavy

This Gnagey certainly looks an interesting 6/4!

And:

Sam Gnagey wrote:
GC wrote:Just out of curiosity, how much does the 6/4 weigh?
It weighs in at just 20lbs (9.1kg).
...

20 lbs.? My 4/4 CC tuba weighs about 22 lbs (M-W 32). ! How much does a Neptune weigh? [I tried one and it seemed just slightly heavier than my tuba.]

Allen

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:38 am

Allen wrote:How much does a Neptune weigh?

My Neptune is 28 lbs - compared to 4/4 PT-3 at 22 lbs, Cerveny Kaiser at 26lbs and MW 2040/5 Eb at 19 lbs.

So that Gnagey is incredibly light - near to weight of an Eb! And Cerveny are usually considered lightweight

Note: All weights approximate, as I only have bathroom scales for weighing

Sam Gnagey · Post by **Sam Gnagey** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:09 am

sloan wrote:
Sam Gnagey wrote:
GC wrote:Just out of curiosity, how much does the 6/4 weigh?
It weighs in at just 20lbs (9.1kg).

I tried playing it on a stand with and without the belt. Subjectively, it's best off the stand with the belt.
From the mouthpiece, or from the middle of the hall?

That subjective assessment was from the mouthpiece.

TubaTodd · Post by **TubaTodd** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:15 am

Any updates on this horn? Pictures with the 5th valve assembly finished? (Assuming it is finished) Any 6/4 or other Gnagey projects in the works?

Sam Gnagey · Post by **Sam Gnagey** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:06 am

TubaTodd wrote:Any updates on this horn? Pictures with the 5th valve assembly finished? (Assuming it is finished) Any 6/4 or other Gnagey projects in the works?

I don't think I got any pictures of the horn before it left mid-summer with the 5th linkage done. It's just like what I've used on all of the 4/4 CCs...right thumb, short throw.
I'm about 3 weeks away from having a 4/4 CC done. Then I'll start on another 6/4 CC; hopefully to be done by the end of December.
Thanks for asking.

bigbob · Post by **bigbob** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:26 am

Everyone seems to know but me! but what is the leather strap used for?? and if you ever need a custom one made get in touch with me I make belts out of thick cow hide I could even make one out of brass or have a design on it..(if I knew what it was used for<s>) also in your pic there is a tuba behind you .. could you tell me what it is?? also what is the bore size on your beautiful horn and do you have a web site of the man who made your horn?? thanks sorry for being soooo uninformed......................................bigbob http://www.rgisculptures.com" target="_blank

TubaTodd · Post by **TubaTodd** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:39 pm

bigbob wrote:Everyone seems to know but me! but what is the leather strap used for?? and if you ever need a custom one made get in touch with me I make belts out of thick cow hide I could even make one out of brass or have a design on it..(if I knew what it was used for<s>) also in your pic there is a tuba behind you .. could you tell me what it is?? also what is the bore size on your beautiful horn and do you have a web site of the man who made your horn?? thanks sorry for being soooo uninformed......................................bigbob http://www.rgisculptures.com" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

The horn is made by Sam Gnagey (the gentleman who chimed in above your post). He is well known for his high quality "Franken Horns." Some folks have referred to them as Gnagey-phones. Search Sam Gnagey in Advanced Search for more information about his amazing horns.

As for the belt, (not meant to sound rude) read this entire post...not just the last page. The belt is discussed. With your expertise, custom "tone belts" might make a come back.

bigbob · Post by **bigbob** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:49 pm

Thank You todd ...you are right i jumped in there without reading all the info now I understand... does this bell vibration happen to only big horns?? I just think his horns are beautiful.. having played only one horn for the last 20 years..I just don't understand a lot of things but I'm learning thanks to all of you at tubenet and tubanews.. are there any other places i could look??............................bigbob http://www.rgisculptures.com" target="_blank

David · Post by **David** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:23 pm

Man would I love more pictures of this horn...

TubaTodd · Post by **TubaTodd** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:42 am

David wrote:Man would I love more pictures of this horn...

+1 for pics.

Mcordon1 · Post by **Mcordon1** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:19 am

+2 for more horn dorn!

Mcordon1 · Post by **Mcordon1** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:32 am

Also, just wondering, how much was the horn?

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:50 am

There is an optical deception in the first photo around the bell. Still this tuba looks like having an immense throat. Are the bell proportions the same as with the old York’s and Conn’s? Or is this Martin even bigger?

I share the reservations about leather absorbing moisture. Has the vibration dampening been attempted by means of a synthetic material?

Some horn players prefer screw bells for the same reason.

The German high end maker Amrein offers absorbing brass rings as a solution for smaller brasses:

http://www.musik-amrein.com/gb/product/ ... tm?prod=11

Tuba equivalents might be a pain to make, and the leadpipe might make them impossible. But then they could be made in halves with clamps for a secure mount. IN the latter case, they wouldn’t need to be especially heavy gauge, as their own mechanical stiffness would not be a necessary consideration.

Klaus

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:56 pm

imperialbari wrote:I share the reservations about leather absorbing moisture. Has the vibration dampening been attempted by means of a synthetic material?

Maybe if it absorbs moisture it could be a dampening device as well as a damping device.

Rick "backing away quickly" Denney

DavidK · Post by **DavidK** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:24 pm

Ohhhh Rick that was a graoner!

There is no optical illusion regarding the bell and its throatiess. Looks more European than American to me. And its light weight could be more evidence in that direction. Regardless, the horn is reported to be quite the Sound Howitzer. Go Sam!

Hope the new owner is having more fun than originally planned !!!!

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:50 pm

Rick has to work hard to keep up his board status as Residual Genus. He does a fine job.

The light in the first photo makes part of the left flare profile go away leading to an even mightier impression of the throat. I assume the bell and large branches are pre-WWII. Anyway I don’t remember any European maker coming up with such large tubing until Hirsbrunner started the replica game some 25 or 30 years ago. OK, there was the Paxman CCC, but that was a one-off being the brainchild of a genius cartoonist.

There have been comments on the Meinl tone ring being heavy and skewing the balance towards top heaviness. Where is the law against making a lighter tone ring?

Klaus

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