Have you seen this ?

[ubq]

http://www.windsongpress.com/cso%20brass.htm" target="_blank

You wont regret it...

Enjoy

[DavidK]

It's good stuff. The video on the page takes a while to load. It is worth the wait.

[brianf]

Thank you for posting this - I can't.

See there are two parts to this, it is brass playing at its finest and everyone should see it. This is only the encore - they just finished playing the Alpine Symphony which is even better but, it's for sale and the Tubenet Gestapo will get on my case.

In the meantime, everyone should see this, that's why I put it up!

[brianf]

Gestapo?!? Seems a bit harsh...

Actually not. I did a post about a Roger Bobo DVD that was deleted by the powers to be. I have been in lurking mode ever since! That's the Gestapo!

[WakinAZ]

That's called paying the bills, Brian. This policy is clearly stated: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=33764, so it should come as no surprise if commercial posts are deleted. Stop lurking and whining and become a sponsor already.

Eric "just another user, but nonetheless donning his jackboots" L.

[brianf]

Stop lurking and whining and become a sponsor already.

First off, I am a tuba player and want to be thought of as a tuba player on this list. That is not happening!

As far as my business, yes, I do sell tuba related items, only one produced by myself. These days large publishers don't give a damn about brass instruments and especially the tuba. Still we need new music, books, recordings and things like that. Here comes the micropublisher, usually a symphony player who has a day job and does not have the capabilities of getting their product out there. Here's where I come in - I have a web page, credit card capability, go to shows and have customers. In many cases, what I sell is the difference between a product's success and faliure.

Case in point - the CSO Trombone and Tuba CD. Originally released in the 70's, the original release lost money even though a generation wore out recordings. 30 years later, I made an offer to Jay Friedman to buy a lot of them as he was aprehensive to lose more money on another release. It was a success so he came out with another CSO Bone CD. In 2001 he did a concert of the Alpine Symphony that was incerdible - I was there and saw them recording this. It sat for 9 years and was just released. Of course Jay wanted me to do something with this! I put up a video clip on my site (so I had control over it) and showed it to a few people - they were amazed! It is brass playing at it's finest! It is a clip everyone should see and yes, there is a link to buy it if you wish.

I put a message on Facebook inviting everyone to look at it but could not on Tubenet. If I were considered a tuba player here, it would be no problem - this would benefit the Tubenet community but I am considered an evil dealer who is out for every last buck. When a DVD came in from none other than Roger Bobo (who has written on this list) the Tubenet Gestapo got all over my case - is it right for Roger to announce his own product here? Of course not! If a thread comes up and I put a quote from my book, it is for infomation not a sales pitch. I have never told anyone that the solution to anything was to buy my product. At times I would put a video of Mr Jacobs on my site (Remember, Tubenet cannot take videos) pertaining to the subject.When I started getting treated like an evil dealer from the Tubenet Gestapo, I went into lurking mode not even answering questions directed to me.

As far as advertising here, I have limited resources. Sorry guys, it is not worth $300 a year. My ad in the ITEA Journal has been cut from a full page to 1/4 page. They do more with the money than Tubenet and I can say that for the other three brass journals. I prefer to support the respective brass journals over Tubenet.

[WakinAZ]

So you've made your case, such as it is. You feel the price of sponsorship is not worth it. So get over it, spend your advertising money elsewhere, hawk your wares elsewhere and stop putting down Sean, et al.

Next time you come out of lurk mode, please don't call the good folks who run this valuable resource "gestapo". You are turning off people who might otherwise buy your stuff, including this guy.

[brianf]

You are turning off people who might otherwise buy your stuff, including this guy

Sorry - I looked over my customer database and did not find Alfred E Neuman there. Didn't Mad magazive fold years ago? Who are you??

[UTSAtuba]

To the original post:

No, I have not, but I will.

To WindSong Press:

Looks like a good product.

To everyone else:

It looks like a good product.

Joseph "this post and thread will probably be gone by the end of the day...yikes" Guzman

[Toobist]

Hey Brian. Have you tried approaching retail stores and becoming a supplier for all of this product that is a challenge to make a profit on? I know of a few right here in my area (Greater Toronto Area - Ontario) who's print music/audio visual departments are run by brass players. Here's a list of companies I'd contact were I you:

http://www.long-mcquade.com" target="_blank
http://www.harknettmusic.com" target="_blank
http://www.cosmomusic.ca" target="_blank
http://www.stevesmusic.com" target="_blank

Now I happen to be the head of the band and orchestra department at one of these fine businesses but I'm not posting for advertising. I just think that if we help Brian make a bit more profit, we'll be more likely to see him sponsor Sean's wonderful bboard and we'll see constant and welcome announcements of product we all might find helpful and even important.

Perhaps we all oughta give Brian some leads as to where he might peddle his important products. I mean, he's right when he says if it weren't for him much of this stuff wouldn't see the light of day. I want the resources he supplies to be available for me, my students and my students' students.

Brian: If you do contact any of those companies, some of them know me. Feel free to use my name as a reference for your published material (Al Carter).

[brianf]

Thanks Al-

Could you please contact me at brianf@windsongpress.com" target="_blank

[TexTuba]

I, for one, am QUITE happy with what I've purchased through WSP throughout the years. I would have never really known about Arnold Jacobs without his site.

[brianf]

I would have never really known about Arnold Jacobs without his site.

You get it - Thank you!!

From the WindSong Press web site - About WindSong Press

WindSong Press, Limited was formed in 1996 by Brian Frederiksen for the publishing of Arnold Jacobs: Song and Wind. Currently in the sixth printing, the first printing was sold out in three months! WindSong Press is half educational and half business with educational activities preserving the Jacobs legacy.

On the website there is a lot of information about Mr Jacobs. Over the years I have been to more tuba shows than anyone else with Arnold Jacobs Almost Live creating a new generation of Jacobs students - just like this person who never had an opportunity to study with Mr Jacobs personally!

In just a few weeks, January 30-31 I will be at a horn show at San Francisco State University (hope to see some of you there). OK, I have a lot of frequent flier miles in the bank so I'm flying for free. Now the airlines hit for everything (luggage rates just went up today) so it's not free. I'm getting paid barely enough for a cheap rental car and hotel. Last June I did a Jacobs show for the International Horn Society and next July I am doing it for the International Trombone Association. In August I might even do the National Flute Association again! All expenses are on me but a whole lot of students will know about Mr Jacobs so I need to sell some stuff just to break even.

Harvey Phillips always told me that I am representing the entire tuba world when I do these shows - especially for other instruments. In the next breath he would say "Arnold Jacobs was the finest ambassador for the tuba." Pretty strong words but he is right!

With WindSong Press, the business end pays for the educational. I have limited resources and have to choose. It does not make sense to put out money advertising on Tubenet then have to skip going to a conference because of lack of funds. Then there is dealing with the Gestapo giving me crap forcing me into lurking mode. Where is the spirit of Harvey Phillips??

Thank you TexTuba, whoever you are - you hit it right on the head.
I rest my case!

[WakinAZ]

Your case, which turns out to be well-reasoned when you actually explain it, becomes much less convincing when you call people names, especially names associated with a fascist regime that committed genocide. Think about it. Fortunately for you, the moderators seem to have pretty thick skin or have just been too busy to respond to your insults.

I doubt Sean is getting rich by hosting this site. His is a labor of love just as yours is; respect what he is doing, even if you don't agree with his rules.

You are representing your good works on this site - act professionally, like your mentors did and do.

Eric

[Ace]

I greatly respect Brian's contributions to the tuba world. He does his work admirably and it helps many, many players in their music endeavors. He deserves high praise and patronage.

But, Eric has a point--------the expression "Gestapo" (an evil, vile organization if there ever was one) is an unfortunate word to describe policies that Brian finds objectionable on Sean's board.

[tofu]

But, Eric has a point--------the expression "Gestapo" (an evil, vile organization if there ever was one) is an unfortunate word to describe policies that Brian finds objectionable on Sean's board.

Brian is a great guy, an excellent musician and a tuba players tuba player. The kinda guy you can go have a beer with after a gig. He explained why he hasn't posted about the many educational things on his site. I myself have often wondered why Brian hasn't shared more of his insight on the board and now I understand why. This very thread is an example of why. Brain never said anything about Sean, but did object to the self appointed Tubenet Barney Fifes who have quite frankly driven from the board or into a lurking mode most of the high level tubists. There is a big difference between a guy like Brian operating out of his car and a place like Dillon's. Are they both charged the same fee? I don't know the answer to that question, but if they are - well that doesn't seem right based on the huge difference in size and scope. Quite frankly, the gentleman (Eric) doing all the complaining in this thread seems to have a tuba for sale almost constantly in the For Sale section. Perhaps he should pay a sponsor fee too. At what point does it slide from hobby to a business as in I'm making side money buying and selling tubas on Tubenet? There does seem to be a regular bunch of folks who aren't sponsors, but sure do seem to sell a whole lot tubas on the board. That stuff is for Sean to sort out and the whole thing is probably a whole lot more headache than he needs or wants. I'm sure his goal for the board is to basicly breakeven. The board is a wonderful resource and I for one would hope people feel free to truly express what they think and are indeed free to do so. This idea that one has to run every scenario to make sure no one is offended is absurd as no matter what you say it will surely offend someone somewhere.

In regards to Eric's statement to Brain of acting professionally like his mentor - well anybody who has spent any time with a group of brass symphonic musicians (especially low brass) outside of the hall knows that they can be a rowdy carousing lot and the language blue. The stories for example about AJ and Adolph Herseth and CSO low brass are legendary. Perhaps Brian should send Eric a copy of the Low Brass Players Creed.

And finally - just think of how offensive the Gestapo finds it that they are now being likened to tuba players!

[WakinAZ]

If I'm ever asked to pay a modest user fee for the privilege of using this site for selling (or complaining), I'll do it gladly. For the record, I break even or lose a little on most of the horns I sell here (ask my wife) - I just happen to switch horns a lot. Some other sites I frequent have a PayPal donation link; I let my conscience be my guide.

I swear daily and call people names under my breath all day long, but I don't type it out on public forums. (I also already have a copy of The Low Brass Player's Creed, and think it is funny.)

[Wyvern]

If I'm ever asked to pay a modest user fee for the privilege of using this site for selling (or complaining), I'll do it gladly.

And of course that is the alternative to sponsorship. A site like this has got to pay for itself one way or another, unless Sean is rich enough to sponsor us all (which being a musician, I doubt to be the case). So he has either got to charge companies such as Wind Song Press to advertise, or we have all got to pay a membership fee for the use of this forum.

[brianf]

Brain never said anything about Sean, but did object to the self appointed Tubenet Barney Fifes who have quite frankly driven from the board or into a lurking mode most of the high level tubists.

Bingo!

I have never had anything bad to say about Sean. I have been on this list since he was at Indiana over 15 years ago. Sean identifies himself.

My beef is with some people that go around without the balls to identify themselves, they deserve to be called anything. When they identify themself, they deserve to be called by their proper name, until then it works two ways, if they want to go under an assumed name, I will assume they have a different name - call them Barney Fifes, the Tubenet Gestapo or whatever.

This should be a professional forum meaning you identify yourself, no assumed names. Then maybe many will get out of lurking mode.

BTW - has anyone noticed that I am the only one who has written about this thread who uses their real name?

[WakinAZ]

I forgot to mention, I also buy horns and accessories from other TubeNet members and some of the TubeNet sponsors. I am also active in the discussion forum, not a lurker. I like this online community and dislike it when people misbehave here; if that makes me a "Barney Fife", I've been called worse.

Anyone I buy or sell with (or correspond with to any degree off the discussion board) gets my name, and, if needed, address and PayPal info. I just prefer not to have my name all over the internet in this day and age of i.d. theft, excessive social networking invites, etc.

PM me Brian, if you need my full name - I'll be happy to provide it.

Eric "who does not think online anonymity and masculinity are mutually exclusive" L.