New Nirschl CC

[Mojo workin']

Word is the street price for the silver CC 5v (4 piston, 1 rotor) with MTS case will be @ $5500.

Why is this horn so inexpensive now? The price of labor in Brazil?

That is a fantastic price, 2/3 of what they were formerly priced at? Or was that a different model?

[bort]

Are there still 3 "Nirschl" brand? Meister Walter Nirschl, Walter Nirschl, and Nirschl...?

[pierso20]

Word is the street price for the silver CC 5v (4 piston, 1 rotor) with MTS case will be @ $5500.

Why is this horn so inexpensive now? The price of labor in Brazil?

That is a fantastic price, 2/3 of what they were formerly priced at? Or was that a different model?

I was wondering the same too...because ALL tuba's should be at this price....so that way I could buy 4 at a time!

[UTSAtuba]

That is a fantastic price, 2/3 of what they were formerly priced at? Or was that a different model?

Closer to a 1/3 of what they were formerly priced at.

Joseph

[Alex C]

Are there still 3 "Nirschl" brand? Meister Walter Nirschl, Walter Nirschl, and Nirschl...?

That is a good question. My tuba says "Meister Walter Nirschl," the Gemstone instruments are marked "W. Nirschl" but I don't know about the other two you mention.

[bort]

Are there still 3 "Nirschl" brand? Meister Walter Nirschl, Walter Nirschl, and Nirschl...?

That is a good question. My tuba says "Meister Walter Nirschl," the Gemstone instruments are marked "W. Nirschl" but I don't know about the other two you mention.

Everything I know is here:
http://www.dillonmusic.com/HeleoCart/Pr ... 1317).aspx

[Rick Denney]

I played both the C and the Bb Weril-made W. Nirschls at the Army Conference. The Bb is a winner. I would love to compare it with a King 2341 side by side--I'm thinking the Nirschl will look pretty good in that comparison, both in terms of construction quality and in the playing.

One of the qualities of Nirschls made in the old B&M factory were the valves. The pistons on my B&M-made York Master are among the best I've ever touched, except that the angle is wrong for my body shape. That necessitated a modified valve button for the fourth valve on my YM. The valves on the Nirschl are arranged York-like, so that is no longer a problem, but they were sluggish on the demo instruments. This seems like a B&M Symphonic 5500 with a Yorkish valve body and an amazing price (between $4K and $5K street price, with both lacquer and silver falling in that range). It is going to be a major player in the 4/4 Bb front-piston market.

Construction quality is pretty good, and typical of Weril instruments that have always been pretty well respected considering their price point. The valves are stainless steel.

The leadpipe arrangement on the C was apparently dictated by Herr Nirschl himself, and I agree it's an unfortunate choice. There is no way to hold the instrument normally in the lap, and that really should be an option with a 4/4 instrument. The Bb has a more conventional leadpipe arrangement and was MUCH more comfortable to play. The leadpipe is easily long enough to wrap around the bell more, so hopefully the words of those who try it out will persuade Herr Nirschl to give in on that topic.

Rick "hoping Gemeinhardt can keep this a consistent presence in the market long enough for it to take hold" Denney

[luke_hollis]

Is the new Nirschl a lower end version of the old WN-15 4/4 CC Nirschl?

I am not really sure what the difference is. I have the old Nirschl but should I look at trading up for some benefit?

[PhilSloan]

PICTURE LINK: http://picasaweb.google.com/barthsbrass ... erence2010#" target="_blank" target="_blank

There were lots of pics taken of various folks trying the Nirschl horns out at the Army conference. If you want to see your mug behind the horn the link is above. Once the pics are opened to full size you can right click and save for your next Christmas card.

I was really impressed with the CC as well but the leadpipe angle was a puzzler. My posture in trying to hold it in my usual upright position actually hindered playing. Angling and rotating opened it up completely.

~Phil Sloan~

[Bob Kolada]

It looks like some sort of mirror image of the silly angle that most euphoniums have!

[Rick Denney]

PICTURE LINK: http://picasaweb.google.com/barthsbrass ... rence2010#

That collection of pictures surely does run the gamut from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Rick "one of the victims" Denney

[Karl H.]

PICTURE LINK: http://picasaweb.google.com/barthsbrass ... rence2010#

That collection of pictures surely does run the gamut from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Rick "one of the victims" Denney

Agreed!

Karl "one of the ridiculous" Hovey

[pierso20]

It looks like some sort of mirror image of the silly angle that most euphoniums have!

Agreed!

I would get the horn...and then have the lead pipe changed....because it is silly...

[Wes Krygsman]

I happen to like the angle of the lead pipe on these horns. I have a 6/4 Nirschl and initially, it did take some getting used to, but now that I have been playing it for some time, most other horns don't feel as comfortable to me. I feel the valves are in the perfect place for my right hand to comfortably reach, and it has a some very obvious also comfortable spots for the left hand.

To me (and I think this works with every tuba ever made), the trick is to sit up comfortably straight, not tense/hyper-extended though, and bring the horn to your face. Not leaning in or hunching in to the horn. In the beginning, it took some leg contorting to have it feel like it wasn't going to fall. Now that position is natural. My left leg tends to be a little more forward and my right leg actually supports most of the weight of the horn and tends to jut out to the right a little. I do use a tuba stand for very long rehearsals, but I prefer playing without one.

After looking through the pictures on that site, I'm actually on there. There's me.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_VxWph4lhM8A/S2TNV ... 821%29.jpg" target="_blank" target="_blank

To me, I look upright and comfortable, my legs are in the position I tried to describe, but a picture's worth a thousand words.

This lead pipe design comes from the Chicago Yorks, and the players (Arnold Jacobs and Gene Pokorny) who got to/get to play them don't seem to have any trouble. The accurate copies of those tubas (Nirschl's and Yamayork YCB 826's) for me play better than Hirshbrunner HB-50's and Meinl-Weston 2165's with the "fixed" leadpipes.

YMMV, but I think that we are all different shapes and sizes, with different preferences and I think it's great to have many different choices. I don't think it needs to be fixed, just maybe isn't a match for you. A possible solution might be to offer it both ways to satisfy both preferences, but it would most likely be too costly to make one model 2 ways.

Well that was a much longer rambling than I originally planned, I hope this post helped someone in someway.

[Rick Denney]

This lead pipe design comes from the Chicago Yorks, and the players (Arnold Jacobs and Gene Pokorny) who got to/get to play them don't seem to have any trouble.

That just not the case. I have played many 6/4 tubas, and I own one, that have the leadpipes with a partial wrap just like the CSO York. But this instrument has MUCH LESS wrap than any Yorkophone. And there is NO WAY to hold it without twisting your body--just look at the pictures--unless you put your left hand down on your thigh and use it as a stand (or unless you use a stand). But this instrument is small enough so that it can sit properly across the lap and be played without twisting.

If this instrument had the partial wrap of a typical Yorkophone 6/4 tuba, I would agree with you. But it doesn't.

Rick "who also has never seen a York or one of its clones with that kink in the leadpipe rather than a smooth arc" Denney

[bisontuba]

Rick-
If you have a problem holding/playing the W. Nirschl, use a tuba stand--that's ALL you need. Yes, it would be nice if the W. Nirschl CC tuba had the same shape leadpipe as the Mesiter Walter Nirschl 4/4 CC leadpipe, but the W. Nirschl CC plays great--that's all I care about (not to mention the price too!). I don't know why Herr Nirschl went with this old style York 4/4 CC style leadpipe on his W. Nirschl, but the horn plays--that's all that matters--IMHO, it actually plays better than the Meister Walter Nirschl CC 4/4 horn (or the Besson 995 for that matter).
Bottom line, use a tuba stand, and if you have a problem--problem solved.
My 2 cents (or .04 Brazillian Real worth...)
Regards-
mark
jonestuba@juno.com" target="_blank

[luke_hollis]

So I have a question. I have a 4/4 CC Nirschl that I bought from Custom in 1997. It says Meister Walter Nirschl on the bell. I believe at the time it was a WN-15. Does that mean my horn is handmade and is it much different from the new one discussed here? It looks almost identical.

[luke_hollis]

Thanks for the info. Do you know were all those made in Germany handmade or not? It might be good if I ever think of selling.