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Dean wrote: Would anyone recommend using one of these to shave your head?
It can be done - I have been shaving my head lately, with a similar device. Same blade, but no "bay doors" on the top - it's a one piece top that threads into the handle and clamps the blade down. I guess it probably works better because it's gold plated. Probably older than I am, got it at a flea market, and it may outlive me. Before it, I had one my father gave me back in the late '60s that looked more or less like your reference. The mechanism failed eventually. The old style has no mechanism, so it will last approximately forever. It technically has no adjustment features either, but probably can be screwed tighter or looser to the same effect. I could never tell the difference between the settings anyway.

I also have a straight razor, but have been disappointed in its efficacy. I even took it to a sharpening service just to see if anyone could make it sharp enough to shave with. If I ever get another one, it's going to be plain carbon steel.
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For all your shaving/razor questions, head over to:

http://www.badgerandblade.com" target="_blank

it's the TubeNet of wetshaving.

Dean: lots of guys use DE razors for head shaving. Do a quick search at the above forum and you'll be inundated with useful information.

Donn: if you would like to get that straight up and running again, there are several people at Badger and Blade who hone straight razors (send it back and forth in the mail) who have all the specialized equipment necessary to do a good job. Since most of them are avid enthusiasts they give each razor TLC. Once you get it back (you likely already knew this) you must strop the razor before EVERY shave to keep it in good working order. Even the carbon steel ones need this attention since the shaving edge of a razor is so much sharper than anything a standard "sharpening service" (knives, shears, etc) is equipped to handle.
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JCalkin wrote:For all your shaving/razor questions, head over to:

http://www.badgerandblade.com" target="_blank" target="_blank

it's the TubeNet of wetshaving.

Dean: lots of guys use DE razors for head shaving. Do a quick search at the above forum and you'll be inundated with useful information.

Thanks a ton!
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JCalkin wrote:For all your shaving/razor questions, head over to:

http://www.badgerandblade.com" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

it's the TubeNet of wetshaving.

Dean: lots of guys use DE razors for head shaving. Do a quick search at the above forum and you'll be inundated with useful information.

Donn: if you would like to get that straight up and running again, there are several people at Badger and Blade who hone straight razors (send it back and forth in the mail) who have all the specialized equipment necessary to do a good job. Since most of them are avid enthusiasts they give each razor TLC. Once you get it back (you likely already knew this) you must strop the razor before EVERY shave to keep it in good working order. Even the carbon steel ones need this attention since the shaving edge of a razor is so much sharper than anything a standard "sharpening service" (knives, shears, etc) is equipped to handle.
I switched to a DE razor a few months ago, after reading this thread. Blades are dirt cheap...I'll never go back to carts!!

I am also a member of the B&B forum linked above. Check out the buy/sell/trade forum if you're looking to get started. Often, people are looking to unload spares from their collection, and a great razor (like a 1950's Gillette Super Speed) can be had for <$20.

If you would rather a new razor, I suggest one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NL ... FT7MJBRHFW

I bought one back in August, and have been very happy with it. It is much more well regarded than the Parker you (Dean) posted (which is considered an adequate "starter" razor, that will need to be replaced a few months down the road).
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TMurphy wrote:It is much more well regarded than the Parker you (Dean) posted (which is considered an adequate "starter" razor, that will need to be replaced a few months down the road).
A few months!? What part fails? Don't know anything about it, but looks similar in principle to the adjustable Gillette I used for roughly 30 years before it failed. I think the "ball end" Gillette I use now is kind of cool because it's 60 years old (I think), but it shaves no better or worse than the one it replaced - it's the blade that does the shaving, really.

I save more money on the "shaving cream" - bar of "Grandma's Lye Soap", which lathers up well and isn't perfumed. Similar to the home made soaps I've used. I buy it at a local hardware store. A bar lasts months and months. No aerosol cans to send off to the landfill, the bar is just wrapped in a scrap of cellophane.
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I absolutely love the no-comparison close shave a barber with a properly strapped straight razor can give. I probably posted this earlier, but with my blood clotting condition, I cannot afford even the slightest nick that could cascade into clotting. So, I am relegated to Williams 'Lectric Shave and a Norelco 3-head after showering on the advice of both my physician and my barber as to being as close to nick-proof as possible.
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Donn wrote:
TMurphy wrote:It is much more well regarded than the Parker you (Dean) posted (which is considered an adequate "starter" razor, that will need to be replaced a few months down the road).
A few months!? What part fails? Don't know anything about it, but looks similar in principle to the adjustable Gillette I used for roughly 30 years before it failed. I think the "ball end" Gillette I use now is kind of cool because it's 60 years old (I think), but it shaves no better or worse than the one it replaced - it's the blade that does the shaving, really.

I save more money on the "shaving cream" - bar of "Grandma's Lye Soap", which lathers up well and isn't perfumed. Similar to the home made soaps I've used. I buy it at a local hardware store. A bar lasts months and months. No aerosol cans to send off to the landfill, the bar is just wrapped in a scrap of cellophane.
I don't think it's a matter of failure, as much as the razor itself is fairly limited. Yes, the blade does the shaving, but the razor it's in makes a difference. The weight of the razor and the exposure of the blade can make the blade cut more aggressively, yielding a closer shave with less work (I have two razors, myself, the one I linked to above, and a 1950's Blue Tip SuperSpeed, which was Gillette's "mild razor at the time...there's a huge difference between the two, even with the exact same blade). Think of the Parker as a Bach 18. It's a fine mouthpiece, and will certainly get the job done. But, for most people, there comes a point when they "outgrow" the Bach. They're looking for something the Bach can't provide, so it's time to find something else. Same with the Parker...it works, and if you're just learning, is a god choice. But, for about $10 more, you can get the Merkur, which will last a lifetime (and isn't twist-to-open, so there's even less that *can* break).

Bloke, I understand the appeal of the Mach 3...I used one for years. I can't shave without some sort of lather on my face (my skin is fairly delicate, and even with a Mach 3, it burns like hell to try and shave without shaving cream of some kind). It's easy to do, and the risk of cutting yourself is practically nil. I switched to the double edge primarily for cost. I bought a pack of 100 blades, which cost me about $13 shipped. Since I don't shave every day, a blade lasts me about two weeks...not as long as a Mach 3 blade, for sure. At that rate, it will take me nearly 4 YEARS until I run out of blades. That's $13 for 4 years worth of shaving...I doubt you could do better with a Mach 3, even on eBay.

Since, as I said, I cannot shave without shaving cream or soap on my face without enduring some pain/bleeding, I've found that I get good results with a badger brush and some shaving soap, which I can get at walmart for around $3. Each bar of soap lasts a few months....longer than the canned stuff. I spend so much less money on keeping my face hairless than I ever did before, I only wish I'd done this sooner.

And....if you ever want to part ways with that old straight razor, let me know. :P
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As bloke's picture does demonstrate, make sure it is substantial enough to have that pinky hook to anchor the pinky finger on, as that is an essential stabilizer for the technique of shaving with a straight razor. And when shopping for straight razors, whether antique or modern, usually, up to the point that is comfortable, heavier, and therefore less prone to wobble, is better.
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Last August I got paid $500 to participate in a month long market research study on wet shaving. Each week for four weeks I was given a new razor blade. For a week I would use each blade and record my daily impression. Well I recognized the top of the line razors from the major blade companies, but there was a new one that was like no other that I had ever used. It shaved like nothing else I had or have used. I have to shave every day - this thing shaved so close and so smooth with ease that even I could have skipped a day. Better than the fine barber shaves I've gotten. It was just so well balanced and weighted in the hand. There were 5 blades and they were angled and edged differently then the current ones in use are. It had a motor in it but that seemed to be more powerful and smaller then the ones now in use. There was even a sideburn trimmer on the side that actually worked extremely well. I didn't want to give the razor back at the end of the week, but if you didn't you not only didn't get the $500, but since I had signed all this legal stuff about not sharing any info or the product with anybody else they could sue. So I gave it back, but have looked for it in stores ever since and have not seen it yet. It was so good that I would easily pay $100 for it plus the daily cost of cartridges.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35361141/ns/business/

Sounds like this, the Gillette Fusion ProGlide. I saw this posted on Badger and Blade the other day. According to the article, it will hit the shelves in June, at a markup from the current absurd cost for blades.
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Hopefully it's a significant improvement over the current Fusion. For me, the thing does a terrible job. I can't get a close shave with it and blade life is dismal. Right now, I'll take a Mach 3 over any Fusion.
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Well after reading all of this (a couple of times) and doing more reading & research on the Art of Manliness and Badger & Blade I finally broke down and ordered my first safety razor. I'm a curious and hopeful about the shave on my face and my head, but am a little worried about the learning curve trying to do this right without slashing myself open :shock:
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bloke wrote:I still don't understand the lure of electric shavers (even if in perfect-new condition).
Me neither.

I generally dislike shaving, but now that I am old enough to have a (very) gray beard that makes me look 10 years older than I really am, I have chosen to shave. The fancy cartridge blades never did much for me; I was always getting what I thought to be inordinate amounts of razor burn. I got a shave at a local barber from a straight razor and discussed with him what might be some good options. For the past few months, I've been using a Merkur safety razor and DE blades. It offers a great shave with zero burn and the blades are MUCH cheaper than any cartridge system.

Me likey.

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bloke wrote:I still don't understand the lure of electric shavers (even if in perfect-new condition).

Stepping right out of the shower, I can Mach 3 my face down to smooth skin in about 20 seconds (no gel / no cream / no "bracer"). The blades last about 3 or 4 weeks (assuming a quick rinse and tapping on a dry towel when done).
Electric, haven't used mine in a couple of years so I would tend to agree with you on that one.

I have been using the Mach 3 for more than 10 years now, but I go through 10\-2 blade a week with shaving my head so I was looking for a cheaper alternative. Buying the Mach 3 blades in bulk on ebay I've been able to get them as cheap as $1.10 each, which isn't a bad price but after reading all of this I am really hoping that the Safety razor will fit that bill with DE blades costing me aroun $.10 each.
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I never shave the whiskers, off my horny hide.
I drive 'em in with a hammer and bite 'em off inside.
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bloke wrote:A friend taught me (about thirty years ago) that some "good stuff" is actually worth buying.

He pointed out that margarine can be bought for less than a buck a lb...but it tastes like crap. :x Real butter is sometimes three times as much, tastes wonderful :D , but (even though it costs geometrically more than margarine) it is still quite cheap (in the grand scheme of things) to buy.
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bloke wrote:I still don't understand the lure of electric shavers (even if in perfect-new condition).

Stepping right out of the shower, I can Mach 3 my face down to smooth skin in about 20 seconds (no gel / no cream / no "bracer"). The blades last about 3 or 4 weeks (assuming a quick rinse and tapping on a dry towel when done).
Electric, haven't used mine in a couple of years so I would tend to agree with you on that one.

I have been using the Mach 3 for more than 10 years now, but I go through 10\-2 blade a week with shaving my head so I was looking for a cheaper alternative. Buying the Mach 3 blades in bulk on ebay I've been able to get them as cheap as $1.10 each, which isn't a bad price but after reading all of this I am really hoping that the Safety razor will fit that bill with DE blades costing me aroun $.10 each.
I agree. In most cases you get what you pay for.

However, DE shaving works BETTER (for me) than the Mach3/Turbo/Fusion stuff AND it's cheaper. It's win/win.

With butter, you're paying for a better product. With Mach3/Fusion, you're paying for better marketing.
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I generally dislike shaving, but now that I am old enough to have a (very) gray beard that makes me look 10 years older than I really am, I have chosen to shave.
Same with me SRanney, and since I have started playing tuba, I decided I had better shave off the beard. So I am now clean shaven - it has been 20 years or so since I last was. People say I look a lot younger - the beard was snow white. So I am back to my Gillette "Sensor" and Edge shaving gel. However, thanks to this thread, when I use up my cartridges and shaving gel - I will invest in a Merkur safety razor and blades. I have used shaving soap before and will go back to it again with the use of a badger hair shaving brush. The one thing I will have to learn to do is be careful, be patient, and have a light touch, or it will look as though I have been on the losing end of a knife fight.
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bloke wrote:I still don't understand the lure of electric shavers (even if in perfect-new condition).
I've seen two applications: one is the guy with the long commute who isn't awake enough to not cut himself before he leaves (and we won't comment on his ability to drive in that condition.) This is the guy whom you see shaving in his car on the freeway, with the portable electric. You don't need a mirror as long as you drive the mower over the lawn enough times.

The other is the guy who can't ever seem to allow enough time to get ready for anything, and he's the other one you see shaving in the car on his way someplace. Both are likely to be using that three-head Norelco.

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