Da Weatherman Sez...

[pierre]

114 degrees in Melbourne, Australia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZO2E7YjAr0

[SRanney]

For the first time in nearly one-and-a-half decades, Lake Erie is frozen over solid - east-to-west/north-to-south...

...but, admittedly, it's not the biggest of the GREAT Lakes.

http://www.entertainmentandshowbiz.com/ ... 0021736740

Joe-
Whatever newscast gave the Lake Erie thing as being 'frozen over' completely must be drinking something special--as I drive into Buffalo along Route 5, Lake Erie is to my left and I can see open water--in fact, two ice fisherman in the Buffalo Harbor on Lake Erie were rescued today as they tried to fish on thin ice and fell through.
mark

You know those liberal media elites--always trying to put one over on the unsuspecting public!

[steve_decker]

The one that I find interesting is Superior. University scientists are saying that the surface temperature has increased 4.5 degrees in the last 30 years whereas the air temperature in that region has increased 2.7 degrees in the same timeframe. During that same 30 years, the frequency of a freeze-over has actually increased. Superior typically freezes over every 20 years or so. Most recent was 2009. Prior to that was 2003. IIRC, it froze over (or came damn close) in '98. It definitely did in '94.

I am not a scientist nor do I pretend to be one. What I do know is there are countless tangible examples like this that make it real hard to believe the "data" (real or fabricated). To Bloke's point, the doomsday mentality, that seems to have a great number of evangelists, may very well result in creating much greater devastation through fear-mongoring, reckless policies, and reckless spending. Whether or not so-called climate change (aka global warming) is real, the only positive impact will be made through voluntary individual changes.

[bisontuba]

Hi-
For what ever it is worth, we had (as according to the weather service) 'Lake Effect' snow last night and today--Lake Effect snow is brought about when the lake (as in Lake Erie) has open water (not completely iced over) and it accounts for additional snow fall. That is why we always wish for the Lake to be frozen over-to avoid Lake Effect snow.
mark

[bisontuba]

HI-
Now THAT I agree with 1000%--big Utility bills stink-period!!
mark

[bisontuba]

Hi-
Well, let's see if Texas has the same kind of drought in Summer of 2010 as they had last year. The weather is wacky...
mark

[tbn.al]

My son in Austin tells me he is expecting to build a snowman in his front yard tomorrow. Austin TX, mind you. Wade, Joe get ready! It's a headed your way.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Isn't anyone in this debate willing to admit that it simply CAN'T BE KNOWN with the available data (or lack thereof) what the global climate trend really is? After all, there has only been access to detailed satellite climate data for a couple of decades.

I'm really tired of the knee-jerk reactions of otherwise intelligent people to tying a particularly cold or hot DAY in one particular location as "proof" of their beliefs about climate change. It's ridiculous, and not particularly funny to me. Any idiot can produce anecdotal evidence (and very convincing evidence to most) to "prove" their view.

Both sides need to clam up and wait at least a few more decades for any sort of "trend" to emerge. The biggest difference between the two sides, though, that SHOULD be noted is that one side wants to get in my pockets and modify my behavior whilst the other would more likely leave me alone. I'll opt for the latter camp, thank you.

[SRanney]

Bloke, this one's for you:

"A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION, Calling for balanced teaching of global warming in the public schools of South Dakota..."

http://legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2010/ ... R1009P.htm

[SRanney]

Bloke I'm surprised that you listen to NPR. You don't strike me as the public radio (well, at least the news/talk part) type.

Warm here (> 40 F) for the next week or so. Da wetherpeepl are actually predicting rain on Saturday.

[TMurphy]

They closed schools at 1:00 today, and also canceled school for tomorrow, due to the nastiness of the weather outside. The roads are pretty bad...worse than the last storm, I'd say. While I was creeping along in the car on my way home (10-15 MPH), I was approaching a red light, and went into a slide as I hit the brakes. I tried pumping the brakes, but was unable to come to a stop before I slid into the next lane and bumped the car in the lane next to me. Thankfully no damage was caused to either car or person (let that be a feather in the cap of driving SLOWLY in bad conditions)...a fender NON-bender, I suppose. The other driver and I traded information anyway, and we both snapped some cell-phone pics of the vehicles (he of my license plate, in case I gave him false info, I suppose, me of his fender and license plate, in case he tries to claim I did massive damage to his car). Got home and have been just riding out the storm since.

[tbn.al]

In the past, just about the time I have glibly starting nursing the mentality that "these people don't know how to drive on ice", (yes...) I, MYSELF, go into a slide.

The last time someting like that happened to me, Monday as a week ago to be precise, it was in the key of B, just before I MYSELF missed an A#. Embarassing! Fortunately I had not let my dismay at the other players mistakes escape my mouth. "Pride goeth before destruction."

[bisontuba]

Joe-
You need to listen to NPR more, or better yet Ed Schultz-instead of the 'drugster' on the EIB network.
All will be well when we get universal health care...
mark

[tbn.al]

I do not know jonesmj a bit but do have a passing knowledge of the other two protagonists in this debate. Is seems to me that SRanney and bloke are much more alike than different in their core views. Essentially they both appear to want to be "just left alone" to pursue their interests without any interference from anywhere. Hmmmmmmm........What a novel idea!

[tbn.al]

Still, I percieve you to be more alike than different.

[SRanney]

I do not know jonesmj a bit but do have a passing knowledge of the other two protagonists in this debate. Is seems to me that SRanney and bloke are much more alike than different in their core views. Essentially they both appear to want to be "just left alone" to pursue their interests without any interference from anywhere. Hmmmmmmm........What a novel idea!

perhaps so, but SRanney also (earlier in the thread) made a presumptuous comment regarding my radio listening tastes/influences.

Through the stereotyping of others, people tend to "show their backsides".

The thing about stereotyping is that--alot of the time--our stereotypes are right on. Probabilities being what they are, there will always be a non-zero probability that someone doesn't fit a particular stereotype and I would imagine that neither you nor I "fit" into the box we have subconsciously or consciously assigned each other.

Would it surprise you that I listen to Alex Jones on occasion? I've been known to have Neal Boortz on the radio, too.

Bloke wrote:


Here's that non-zero probability again. Neither of us fit the box we've tried to force each other into. For some reason though, you continue to insist that people who have found global warming, climate change, or global wierding to be fact are all sheeple, are all stupid and have had the proverbial "wool pulled over our eyes", are all wanting a (communist) government to feed and clothe us, and are willing to tax everyone to get our way. I value my personal freedoms guaranteed by the constitution and have done what I can to keep them from being taken away from me.

I'll stop trying to put you into a box if you do the same for me.

Pick my political preference, bloke: I have a MS degree in wildlife and fisheries science; I am in the middle of a PhD program in fisheries biology; I am a graduate student; I have lived in rural Montana and rural South Dakota for the last four years; I grew up in East Cobb County, GA (6th congressional district; previously represented by Newt Gingrich); I vote early by absentee ballot; I hunt birds and big game animals (with rifles and bows); I fish; though all of my firearms were lost in a horrible boating accident, I can safely handle and am not afraid or be around firearms.

ETA: I forgot to add that I am also a dues-paying member of the NRA.

Have a wonderful weekend. Smoked pork ribs, coleslaw, and home-made southern buttermilk biscuits are on the menu for me tonight!

Steven