Jin Bao F (?) contrabass trombone!!!

[Mcordon1]

I'm seriously thinking of buying the Schiller/Jin Bao double-rotor bass trombone. $585 seems worth it. Their single rotor bass is the same price, which is confusing...

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[Bob Kolada]

I'm seriously thinking of buying the Schiller/Jin Bao double-rotor bass trombone. $585 seems worth it.

I've also been considering it, even though I really don't need 2 basses!
There is a guy on the trombone forum who has one (marked Fasch, I believe) for a few years and likes his.
FWIW, it appears to be a copy of a newer King 7B (older ones have a different bell brace and possibly some other differences as well).

[bisontuba]

Hi-
I did get a text message from Don Harry while he and the Bflo. Phil. are on tour in Florida--he did contact M&M and they are sold out of all the contra-bass trombones (they are a hot item)-they hopefully will have more come in before ITEC (I think they will be showing at ITEC-M&M).
Regards-
mark
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[Bob Kolada]

Cameron, how long is the slide on yours? I know a guy with an Thein F, and he says the inners are about 4" shorter than the outers. Though I don't know if it's the long slide or short slide model (haven't seen it yet!)...
I see Ferguson's has at least one of the Kanstuls at $6200. Tempting....

[Cameron Gates]

Cameron, how long is the slide on yours? I know a guy with an Thein F, and he says the inners are about 4" shorter than the outers. Though I don't know if it's the long slide or short slide model (haven't seen it yet!)...
I see Ferguson's has at least one of the Kanstuls at $6200. Tempting....

I finally had time to look today and, like the Thein it copied, the inners are about 4 inches shorter than the outers. I have no problem with it due to the fact that my arms are not close to being long enough to get near the end of the inners. The longest slide position on the horn with this valve configuration is about where a 7th position is on a bass trombone. That note, Low F#, is pretty easy to reach. The other note that is out there is B (with short valve) and it is in tune a little further in.

I suppose that a rotating handle could be put on and a longer position could be had, but why monkey around with that when the valves are a lot easier way to go? Also, there really is no timbre differences between open and valved notes. I think this is really a good valve set up.

[Bob Kolada]

That's kind of a bummer, although I suppose one could get one of these without a slide at all and get a handslide built (which would fix any stock issues like the waterkey, alignment, leadpipe,...). Are the outers Bartok long?
When I was looking into getting a new slide for my old horn, I got a baseline quote of about $800.
With a 7' wingspan I'm probably looking at this differently than other people.

[Bob Kolada]

Or, even easier and 95% as effective- use an "unfashionable" dependent Bb/F/E bass trombone.

[MaryAnn]

Enlighten me, please.....what is the gliss? low B nat up to F? I'd love to see the string trick, rocket science or not.

MA

[MartyNeilan]

As far as Bela Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra is concerned, that piece can be played (and I've seen it done) on a SINGLE ROTOR Bb BASS TROMBONE.

- The F-attachment slide is precision-aligned and made to work very smoothly by an instrument technician.
- A ring is soldered in the crook of the F-attachment tuning slide by an instrument technician.
- A braided line is tied to the ring, and the other end is tied around the player's shoe.

The glissando starts out with the F-attachment slide all the way out as far as it can go. During the glissando to first position, the player uses their foot to simultaneously pull on the string and pull the F-attachment tuning slide all the way in.

bloke "This is not rocket science."

How about where a fellow low brass player gives him the "reach around" where they push the slide in for him?
(Forgot who did it, but it has been done by some big names.)