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2010 Frankfurt Musikmesse Photos reposted as links!

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Hi Everyone,
let's try this again, but with links to my Facebook account!
These are photos taken during the 2010 Frankfurt Musikmesse in Frankfurt, Germany.
I hope you enjoy them!
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Miraphone Bruckner 4/4 CC
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Miraphone 188 4/4 CC
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Miraphone 190 5/4 CC
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Miraphone Baritones
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Miraphone Petruchka F
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Miraphone Firebird
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Assorted Miraphone BBbs(187/186/191 left to right)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Miraphone Petruchka F
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Random Miraphone pic
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Hagston Instruments
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Hagston Baritone
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Winter Cases
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Voigt Brass-beautiful craftsmanship
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Inderbinen Euphonium
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Dennis Wick Mouthpieces
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Hörnchen from Jestädt
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
etc..
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
including his baritones
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
or with 4 and 5 valves (Tübchen-F tuba)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
or in Bb
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Bb on the right/micro Tübchen on the left
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
and their trumpets as well
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Tübchen valve closeup
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
The 5 valve Tübchen was an excellent instrument
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
The pocket Tübchen
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
A bass trumpet by Peter Baumann in Hohenaschau used to advertise for a plating company. Beautiful attention to detail
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Ortiz Mouthpiece
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Tools from Böhm und Meinl
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
etc
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
etc
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
London Musical Instruments (LMI) Euphonium
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
and Eb Alto horn
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
The Chinese were there in force
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Miraphone 191 copy
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Yamaha copy
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
German Tool maker...wow QUALITY
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Newer design Thein F tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
closer detail of the Thein F tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Thein Tenor Tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Thein Cimbasso
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Thein Contrabass Trombone
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Wilson
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
more Wilson
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Wilson Compensating BBb
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Wilson 5/4 BBb
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Wilson 5/4 CC
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Wilson rotary BBb
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Wilson XS F tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Wilson XL (the bigger of the 2 new models)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
i think this was the Wilson Eb or the older F model?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Wilson Rotary F
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
etc
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Rudolph Meinl Tubas
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
etc
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Rudolph Meinl 6/4 BBb
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
again in comparison to a 5/4 CC
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Rudolph Meinl Rotary F
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Rudolph Meinl Piston F
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
A BBb I think?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Rudolph Meinl CC piston tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Rudolph Meinl Bayreuth BBb 5/4 (for me, the best playing orchestra BBb tuba at the Messe)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
They also make piccolo trumpets!
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
and cimbasso
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
J.Meinlschmidt double valves for tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
and standard
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
A Haag "don't touch it!" Cimbasso...i'm sure it plays nice;)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
York Tubas
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Alexander BBb and F tubas
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Alexander 163 BBb tuba...mine is from 1958 and is almost identical in feel and appearance!
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Alexander 6 valve F tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Closeup of the Alexander F tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Alexander Tenor Tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Closeup of the Alexander Tenor Tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Alexander Wagner Tuben
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Adams CC 4/4 Tuba Prototype
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Adams from the back
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
The 5 valve model
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
and another Adams prototype CC
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
They make valve sets as well
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
More Chinese Tubas!! 仆街
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Chinese copy of a King BBb
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
A Fafner in silver
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Bruno Tilz Mouthpieces
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
B&S JBL F tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
MW Thor on the left/MW Baer/2 on the right
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
MW Thor
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
new piston MW F tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
etc
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
another new MW F tuba (Stefan Heiman model)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
MW travel tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
New Kanstul Tubas-Eb and CC
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Kanstul CC tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
etc
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Kanstul Eb-this is almost identical to my 1920s York Eb! Lee Stofer sounded amazing on it, beautiful tone!
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
exBrass Custom F tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Besson 995 4/4 CC tuba, an excellent instrument, but why does it weigh as much as my 2165!?
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Cerveny Cimbasso
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Cerveny/Amati
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Other random pics including...

Wilson 3100 RZ-4 rotary BBb
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Inderbinen Trumpets
this is not photoshopped..
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
various models of Bb trumpets
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
KFC style...double battered dipped n' fried
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
est, perhaps this is funny to those from the Midwest;)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
however, jokes aside, the instruments are beautifully made!
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Thein Horns
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
A random Thein tuba pic
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Back shot of a JBL B&S F tuba
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Bell detail from the new Shires trumpets
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Random Mutes
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
This is what Lee Stofer had to listen to 9+hrs a day next to the Kanstul booth
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5 ... id=2258365
Have a good night Everyone!
ciao
2165
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Very cool- thank you!
How were the "big" Tubchen F and the Cerveny cimbasso?
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Awesome! Thanks for the rundown!
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very nice set of pics! The coiled design on that thein F tuba's slides makes it seem like they're spring loaded. :shock:

I'd love to own one of those Kanstul EEbs (and probably convert it the way people convert the big york tubas they're based on :P )
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I know these have been discussed ad nauseum on the boards, but did you have a chance to play any of these Chinese copies?

I would be very curious about the King 2341 copy. I haven't even seen that on the market yet.

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2165 wrote:Hi Everyone,
let's try this again!
These are photos taken during the 2010 Frankfurt Musikmesse in Frankfurt, Germany.
I hope you enjoy them!
2165


More Chinese Tubas!! 仆街
thanks for the photos!

but why 仆街? :lol:
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Shoot - now zero pictures come up... I'm drooling here!
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The photos didn;t load. All I got was a 'visit something or other' message
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Liberty Mo wrote:I would be very curious about the King 2341 copy. I haven't even seen that on the market yet.
If you're referring to this horn-
http://tubamm.com/site/big/TU2000.htm

It plays very nicely, though I'm not sure it is really a 2341 clone.
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YAAAAYYY!!! Thanks for the re-post - I just had a ball.

exBrass = best F tuba ever? Looks nice - what did you like about it?

The Thein ferules/slide tubes are an old technique and it makes for a gorgeous instrument!

Thanks for these pics!
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LJV wrote:
Bob Kolada wrote:
Liberty Mo wrote:I would be very curious about the King 2341 copy. I haven't even seen that on the market yet.
If you're referring to this horn-
http://tubamm.com/site/big/TU2000.htm

It plays very nicely, though I'm not sure it is really a 2341 clone.
This tuba is based on the Hirsbrunner knock-off body. It's the Chinese attempt at what was called in the US an "HB 21."
How? The valve block (and key) is completely different.

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Hi Everyone,
Sorry for the late reply.
Hope this answers your questions!

To Bob, the 5 valve Tübchen was an excellent horn. Easy to play with a very unique sound and character! Somewhat of a cross between a rotary F tuba and a cimbasso...
The Cerveny Cimbasso had a HUGE sound for a cimbasso, but I wish I could have tried a smaller mouthpiece on it or at least had more than 20min play time.

To Liberty Mo, I tried every tuba I photographed (except for the Rudolph Meinl piston BBb and the Haag Cimbasso) including all the Chinese horns..
Most of the Chinese tubas seemed generally put together OK. The 191 BBb/ 1291 CC Miraphone and 2341 King copies were heavier than the originals, but otherwise played alright for me although they do have a certain "industrial" feel. I didn't think much of them engraving "made in Germany" on the bell.

To mctsang, aiyo! Sorry lah, too many Stephen Chow films...無厘頭...

To Bob again, Joseph, and LJV...it was a King 2341 clone..not a perfect clone, but very "inspired by"

To J.c.Sherman, the exBrass F tuba was for me, a fantastic instrument. It had all the character of a custom handmade instrument, but with impeccable intonation and response. I hope someday I will have the funds to buy one..

ciao!
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2165 wrote:To mctsang, aiyo! Sorry lah, too many Stephen Chow films...無厘頭...
cool! LOL

p.s you know Pang(trombone player), right?

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2165 wrote:I didn't think much of them engraving "made in Germany" on the bell.
Surely that is just plain fraud! It is incredible they were allowed to display such at Frankfurt Musikmesse! :shock:
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did you the oportunity to test a B&S GR55 Bb tuba at musikmesse?
I´m interested in it...
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2165 wrote:the 5 valve Tübchen was an excellent horn. Easy to play with a very unique sound and character! Somewhat of a cross between a rotary F tuba and a cimbasso...
Cool- thanks!
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Hello!
What did you think of 2250 MW?
Their sound is more like a YFB 822 or the German?
It is an instrument worth?
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