Kelly Mouthpieces PT-50 being developed - want one?

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 9:18 pm

Leland wrote:***UPDATE Oct 29***

This weekend, Jim informed me that it should be a couple of months before production is fully underway.

He's been pleasantly surprised by the interest shown here, and has said to contact him for purchase. He'll put together a list of buyers, and will contact everyone once it's ready.

I'm interested! BTW... I don't think there will be any copyright problems. Any existing patents will probably be 'design' patents. In order for any copyright violations to exist the Kelly would have to be an exact duplicate.... which is not likely since the medium would now be plastic.

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:50 am

Though it is possible that the plastice PT-50 copies would be legal, I believe Arnold's post(rant) still makes a valid point. When a company(or individual) makes an investment in R&D, they expect to reap the benefits. Along comes someone else, uses their knowledge which was gained during the R&D process and takes profit which morally should have belonged the the entity which developed the idea. When this occurs, it tends to discourage further R&D because the question is then asked as to why one should go to all the trouble. Why not just wait for someone else to do the work and then come along and use THEIR ideas?

All of this assumes that, in the case of the PT-50 copy, it is legal to do so. I am not certain that is true. I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.
(Please note the disclaimer. I do not wish to be sued for using someone else's idea.) LOL

GC · Post by GC » Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:39 pm

There are so many copies of existing mouthpieces already out in brass that this is almost a moot point. How many companies already make copies of the Bach 18 and even number them "18"? At least 5? There are also copies of the Conn Helleberg, the Bach 25 and 24AW, the Schilke Helleberg II that are blatant rip-offs, though some try renaming them to blur the obviousness a bit. Whether right or wrong, copying is a long-established practice.

I know that there's a fair amount of R & D in mouthpiece design, but aren't most modern mouthpieces a result of players' customization efforts becoming popular? A tweaked or experimental mouthpiece gets passed around, gains a following, and is picked up by a company and sold. So often the design comes from musicians rather than the manufacturers.

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:51 pm

TubaRay wrote:Though it is possible that the plastice PT-50 copies would be legal, I believe Arnold's post(rant) still makes a valid point. When a company(or individual) makes an investment in R&D, they expect to reap the benefits. Along comes someone else, uses their knowledge which was gained during the R&D process and takes profit which morally should have belonged the the entity which developed the idea.

Having been involved in manufacturing for over 30 years, including a period with my own company... manufacturing and marketing one of my own patented products... I can tell you that this is the way the free enterprise system works. Further, perhaps the Kelly copy might actually help the sales of the PT-50.... kinda like shareware.

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 7:23 pm

I agree with you Tinker...if it wasnt for my Kellyberg i would have never wanted to try a metal version of the mouthpiece.

Steve Inman · Post by **Steve Inman** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:54 am

Is there an update yet regarding the introduction date?

TIA,

Leland · Post by **Leland** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:57 am

I emailed Jim at the beginning of the week -- still waiting for a reply.

kegmcnabb · Post by **kegmcnabb** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:10 am

TubaTinker wrote: Further, perhaps the Kelly copy might actually help the sales of the PT-50.... kinda like shareware.

Yep! When I bought my Marzan I found that my trusty Bach 18 didn't work too well...very stuffy. As the Kellybergs were (relatively) inexpensive, I got one, tried it, and found it to be a great match for my new horn. After playing for a few weeks and deeming the experiment a success, I went out and bought a new Conn-Helleberg metal mouthpiece, although I still use the Kellybergs...red for last night's community band Christmas concert , green for St. Patricks, punk pink for rock gigs, and glow-in-the-dark for playing naked at home.

Craig McClelland
Craig@sonicabsurdities.com
www.sonicabsurdities.com
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Marzan BBb
Kubicki Ex-Factor Bass

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:04 pm

[
Doc (who's afraid to think about the naked part)

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We all are, Doc. We all are.

corbasse · Post by **corbasse** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:23 pm

Steve Inman wrote:Is there an update yet regarding the introduction date?

TIA,

Well, in november they said "a few months". Probably still a few months to go....

Steve Inman · Post by **Steve Inman** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:03 pm

Leland wrote:I emailed Jim at the beginning of the week -- still waiting for a reply.

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:14 pm

Steve Inman wrote:
Leland wrote:I emailed Jim at the beginning of the week -- still waiting for a reply.

Steve.... howcum your post is dated Tuesday, December 28th when you actually made the post on Monday?? Is Sean's clock off? Is it yours? ... or is it mine?

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:31 pm

Mine says his post was on Mon., Dec. 27, 2004. ???

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:44 pm

TubaRay wrote:Mine says his post was on Mon., Dec. 27, 2004. ???

hmmmmmm.... The messages on the TubeNet I'm seeing are all off one day. I checked the computer clock and also the date stamps in my Outlook and everything on my end looks OK. Don't know what's going on!

Normal · Post by **Normal** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:01 pm

TubaTinker wrote: hmmmmmm.... The messages on the TubeNet I'm seeing are all off one day. I checked the computer clock and also the date stamps in my Outlook and everything on my end looks OK. Don't know what's going on!

You need to look at your Tubenet profile. You control the way the time is set when you are signed in. I think that Indiana is GMT-6hrs. The adjustment depends on the time zone you are in. Eastern time would be GMT-5, central time is GMT-6.

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:45 pm

Normal wrote:
TubaTinker wrote: hmmmmmm.... The messages on the TubeNet I'm seeing are all off one day. I checked the computer clock and also the date stamps in my Outlook and everything on my end looks OK. Don't know what's going on!
You need to look at your Tubenet profile. You control the way the time is set when you are signed in. I think that Indiana is GMT-6hrs. The adjustment depends on the time zone you are in. Eastern time would be GMT-5, central time is GMT-6.

Yea... somehow I got it set for +6 instead of -6. doh!

Shockwave · Post by **Shockwave** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:58 pm

Can he make it a "heavyweight" version, maybe in the shape of the old Orfeo Deck model? I always thought that was a nice looking mouthpiece and the heavy wall might benefit a plastic mouthpiece even more than a metal one.

-Eric

Steve Inman · Post by **Steve Inman** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:13 pm

TubaTinker wrote:
Steve Inman wrote:
Leland wrote:I emailed Jim at the beginning of the week -- still waiting for a reply.

Steve.... howcum your post is dated Tuesday, December 28th when you actually made the post on Monday?? Is Sean's clock off? Is it yours? ... or is it mine?

I'm a forward thinking individual -- typically a bit ahead of my time ....

Steve Inman · Post by **Steve Inman** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:16 pm

TubaTinker wrote:doh!

Wow! You're even more forward thinking than *I* am!!

[Is +6 = Turkey time!?!?!]

Steve Inman · Post by **Steve Inman** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 1:22 pm

Steve Inman wrote:
Leland wrote:I emailed Jim at the beginning of the week -- still waiting for a reply.

Let me elaborate:

= "Any reply received yet?"

Thanks,

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