Miraphone 1293 CC

[Roger Lewis]

WWBW currently has 10 on order. 5 for delivery as soon as possible and 5 more for 2 to 3 months out from the receipt of the 1st delivery. I know they are being built right now but it is not certain if they will ship before the holiday shut down in mid July. We will be flying in the first batch to have them on hand for people to try.

It truly is a remarkable instrument. I was extremely impressed with how it played and the depth of sound that it has. It is extremely nimble especially in the low register and it has a very consistent color of sound throughout the range.

Just letting you know.

Roger

[bort]

How much bigger is it than the 1291? Physically, I suppose about the same except for the bell. But sound-wise, is it markedly different from the 1291 in depth of sound, or more like realizing the full potential of what a 1291 could have been?

[Roger Lewis]

The 1293 is another variant on the 1291/2 as far as body size goes, but it plays quite a bit differently from its predecessors. There is a lot more resonance and body to the sound and a snappier response. The low register is superb and very easy to play and the horn has a wonderful warmth to the sound and plenty of power if you wish to "bring it". The larger 5th valve makes the low register smooth and easy and color is very even.

Just clarifying.

Roger

[termite]

How does the 1293 compare to the 1291 BBb?

Regards

Gerard

[bort]

I apologize for misleading...I was only cracking a stupid joke about the size of the website's PICTURES of the 1293 (vs. 1292) and that 2/ the pictures (as Roger pointed out) could probably be substituted for one another.

Nah, I got the joke. Was just curious how noticeably different the bell was. That is, wider flare at the bell, or a wider taper the whole way up?

[Steve Inman]

The 1293 is another variant on the 1291/2 as far as body size goes, but it plays quite a bit differently from its predecessors. There is a lot more resonance and body to the sound and a snappier response. The low register is superb and very easy to play and the horn has a wonderful warmth to the sound and plenty of power if you wish to "bring it". The larger 5th valve makes the low register smooth and easy and color is very even.

Just clarifying.

Roger

The Miraphone website lists the 5th valve as the same bore as the 1291 and the 1292. All three 129x horns contain this description:
CC-12915: bore of valve section conical 19,6 - 21,2 mm (0,772 - 0,835 inch)
CC-12925: bore of valve section conical 19,6 - 21,2 mm (0,772 - 0,835 inch)
CC-12935: bore of valve section conical 19,6 - 21,2 mm (0,772 - 0,835 inch)

Did I miss something were we learned the Miraphone website contains an error? Is the 5th valve wrap different? (It looks identical to me.) How is the 5th valve "larger"?

Thanks,

[Mcordon1]

How does the 1293 compare to the 1291 BBb?

Hopefully it doesn't have that huge valve stroke like the 1291 BBb has(Approaching 2 inches, right?).

How's the valve stroke on the 1291/92 CC's? Are they huge, like on the 1291 BBb?

[bort]

Resurrecting this topic with a thought...

So... what might happen if a 1291 or 1292 was retrofit with this larger 5th valve? Think it'd be a good change, or would be funky and out of balance without the bigger bell as well?

I'm sure Miraphone has probably tried and tested all of these configurations, but curious nonetheless.

[Roger Lewis]

Just a quick update. Six of the 1293's (3 silver and 3 lacquer) were flown in recently and should arrive here in South Bend either tomorrow or Monday. There are another 6 on order and slated to arrive mid-December, again 3 lacquer and 3 silver. This is a stunning instrument and opens a whole new stage in the Miraphone diverse variety. When I played it at ITEC I was pretty well floored by the way the horn felt and behaved. Congratulations to my friends at Miraphone.

Roger

[craig2000]

Hey Roger, how are you ?
I concur. Iv had the 1293 for a while now and its stunning. Mine is raw brass and is looking nicely aged already. Big, warm sound with great response and intonation. Having had some problems in the bottom register before ( I.e stuffiness) I now just want to play low and loud all the time cause its easy:)
Miraphone really have done well with this one and the petruschka!!!!
Cheers from bonnie scotland.

[Steve Inman]

The 1293 is another variant on the 1291/2 as far as body size goes, but it plays quite a bit differently from its predecessors. There is a lot more resonance and body to the sound and a snappier response. The low register is superb and very easy to play and the horn has a wonderful warmth to the sound and plenty of power if you wish to "bring it". The larger 5th valve makes the low register smooth and easy and color is very even.

Just clarifying.

Roger

The Miraphone website lists the 5th valve as the same bore as the 1291 and the 1292. All three 129x horns contain this description:
CC-12915: bore of valve section conical 19,6 - 21,2 mm (0,772 - 0,835 inch)
CC-12925: bore of valve section conical 19,6 - 21,2 mm (0,772 - 0,835 inch)
CC-12935: bore of valve section conical 19,6 - 21,2 mm (0,772 - 0,835 inch)

Did I miss something where we learned the Miraphone website contains an error? Is the 5th valve wrap different? (It looks identical to me in the photos at the Miraphone site.) How is the 5th valve "larger"?

Thanks,

? Still curious ...

Cheers,

[Ferguson]

I'll be unpacking a couple of 1293's this week or next, so I'll get to measure them then. But...I think the 5th rotary valve bore may be correct as listed. I think it's just the casing and rotor that are oversize, not the airway. It's made so the airway through the rotor is is straighter, like the oversize rotors that Kanstul uses on their tubas and trombones.

This tuba is essentially the 1291/1292, but the bell flare is a larger diameter, and of course the rotor is larger. It also includes 2 leadpipes: the large pipe from the 1291, and the medium pipe from the 1292. It's an incredible horn. I played a silver 1293 at the Miraphone factory, and the low range with the 5th rotor was so amazing, I wanted to use the rotor whenever I could, and found myself looking for alternate fingerings that used it.

Ferguson

[imperialbari]

I'll be unpacking a couple of 1293's this week or next, so I'll get to measure them then. But...I think the 5th rotary valve bore may be correct as listed. I think it's just the casing and rotor that are oversize, not the airway. It's made so the airway through the rotor is is straighter, like the oversize rotors that Kanstul uses on their tubas and trombones.

This tuba is essentially the 1291/1292, but the bell flare is a larger diameter, and of course the rotor is larger. It also includes 2 leadpipes: the large pipe from the 1291, and the medium pipe from the 1292. It's an incredible horn. I played a silver 1293 at the Miraphone factory, and the low range with the 5th rotor was so amazing, I wanted to use the rotor whenever I could, and found myself looking for alternate fingerings that used it.

Ferguson

Did you prefer the large or the medium leadpipe?

Klaus

[Ferguson]

I preferred the large, but Markus Theinart said the medium pipe had found favor with more players who tested the horn. Both included? Nice gimmick.

Ferguson (Approves)

[Roger Lewis]

Well, they're here and I've had a chance to play with them a bit. What a great instrument.

Steve is right that the 5th valve bore is the same but the valve is a bit larger to allow the air through more smoothly. The horn has a great sound and presence and the low register is fantastic. I prefer the medium pipe with the Euro receiver as it is closer to the 1292 I own. The 1292 is easy to play. The 1293 is just dirt simple. I love the color of the sound of the lacquer ones for the way I play, but the silver ones do have a nice shimmer to the sound and a little quicker response.

Just my observations.

Roger

[craig2000]

When at miraphone in july, I'm sure something was said about the fourth valve being a little smaller as well as the fifth valve being bigger. In my opinion, it dosent matter too much. As long as it works , and it does:)
As far as leadpipes are concerned, I think they both work but in slightly different ways. The large feels more open and has a wider and maybe darker sound but I find articulation has to be exaggerated. The medium tightens things up a little and I find articulation is a little clearer.

[Steve Inman]

Gents,

Thanks for the 5th valve clarification!

Regards,

[cle_tuba]

Someone compared the 1293 with Thor??

[Untersatz]

Someone compared the 1293 with Thor??

It took you 3 years to post a reply to this thread???