Kaiser tubas

[Dan Schultz]

Hmm. I've looked twice for a Cerveny kaiser tuba on tubatinker's site - no success. What am I missing?

Sorry, Dave. I thought it would sell quickly so I didn't bother to list it on my web pages. I just put in the 'for sale' section of this forum.

[k001k47]

Kaisertuba is just a cool nickname: similarly, big a** tuba is a cool nickname.

[TYA]

Bb or C doesn't matter. Being a contrabass does.

Rick "prove me wrong" Denney[/quote]


Thank you for saying that. I don't like it when people say I HAVE to play CC.

[bisontuba]

Hi-
Rick, I was just trying to respond to the original poster with some historical 'facts' about the term 'Kaiser' used by actual companies in the past and present, not some made up term like BAT.
I agree with 'talleyrand'--whether American or European, rotor or piston, 'size does matter'--whether body, bell, and/or bore. If it has any of those 3 qualities, it is a "Big 'Ol Horn"....period--whether contrabass, bass tuba, Eb/F/ CC/ BBb tuba(s), Bb euph, etc. You could also use the old 20th C American maker terms better for big horns--'Monster,' 'Jumbo', etc. Or-tongue in cheek-maybe 'King Kong' model, 'Godzilla' model, a "Hog," 'string section destroyer,' etc......
Today, we use 'tubaslang' (I think I will patent that phrase...LOL...) for tubas like BAT, Kaiser, 3/4, 4/4, 5/4, 6/4, r...I was just adding my 'where did it actually come from' info.
Now those triple tubas...might those be '20/4 BAT Kaiser Tubazilla Big Old Horns on steroids'.....
Regards-
mark

[MartyNeilan]

Then there is this WWI era "BART" currently at Dillon's.

It has the bore and bell diameter of a Kaiser, but at 40" tall, it is several inches shorter than many true "Kaiser" tubas. Instead of a tall and thin profile, it has a profile slightly more reminiscent of the traditional American BAT.

** BART = Big A-- Rotary Tuba

[J.c. Sherman]

A Kroner tuba. Probably an Amati or Cerveny stencil.

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I've seen two Kroner, one like this and another 3-valve top action, which looked German. The one above is a Belgian "Des Prins" (unless my spelling is off). Walter Sear stenciled these as well. Nice little tubas; not Kaisers. But Kroner may have had a Kaiser model I haven't seen.

[TYA]

A Kroner tuba. Probably an Amati or Cerveny stencil.

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I've seen two Kroner, one like this and another 3-valve top action, which looked German. The one above is a Belgian "Des Prins" (unless my spelling is off). Walter Sear stenciled these as well. Nice little tubas; not Kaisers. But Kroner may have had a Kaiser model I haven't seen.

If my friend ever lets me take pictures of his Kroner I will post them here. But I know it is huge. His Kroner was a little taller and wider then my 5/4 Kurath.

[TYA]

Would anyone count the St.Petersburg 209N as a Kaiser or 5/4 tuba? I know it's called a 4/4 on tuba exchange but the dimension of it seem big;

Bell 17''
Bore .834''
Height 37''

Compared to the Meinl Weston 2000
Bell 17''
Bore .748"-.804"
Height 37.4"

So can the St.Petersburg be a Kaiser or 5/4?

[bigbob]

Then there is this WWI era "BART" currently at Dillon's.

It has the bore and bell diameter of a Kaiser, but at 40" tall, it is several inches shorter than many true "Kaiser" tubas. Instead of a tall and thin profile, it has a profile slightly more reminiscent of the traditional American BAT.

** BART = Big A-- Rotary Tuba

What's the name of the BART?? Marty?I looked at there used horns they had a Holton but I thought that was it...........................BB

[bort]

Would anyone count the St.Petersburg 209N as a Kaiser or 5/4 tuba? I know it's called a 4/4 on tuba exchange but the dimension of it seem big;

Bell 17''
Bore .834''
Height 37''

Compared to the Meinl Weston 2000
Bell 17''
Bore .748"-.804"
Height 37.4"

So can the St.Petersburg be a Kaiser or 5/4?

No. The bore is pretty big on the St. Pete's, but I don't remember it being a particularly large tuba.

I tried a Miraphone 190 last week. Now *that* is a Kaiser tuba. Just gigantic (to me, at least!).

[Bob Kolada]

Couldn't it also be called a "BORT" (old)?

[bort]

Couldn't it also be called a "BORT" (old)?

What are you implying?

[Steve Inman]

Just doesn't seem fair . . . (to the others in the group -- they don't stand a chance!)

[imperialbari]

As it should be with a huge rotary tuba, the sounds appears wheeling out of the bell.

K

[MartyNeilan]

Just doesn't seem fair . . . (to the others in the group -- they don't stand a chance!)

I don't think I ever got above playing a mp to low mf, to keep a proper balance - the middle of the "mall" was extremely live and I really had to hold back. A smaller tuba would have been more appropriate, but not had the depth of sound. I used my son's little 12j a few days later for a strolling thing on Christmas Eve, and it just wasn't the same.
One of the reasons I am sitting so sideways is not just because of the leadpipe angle, but also to keep on eye on the director (1st trombone) who would otherwise be buried behind the bell.

(Before anybody starts getting too jealous, this is shaping up to be a very decent tuba as I have continued tweaking tubing lengths, but is still far from the Mother-Of-All-Rotary-Tubas aka MOART)

The wheels do look like they are coming out of the tuba; I had not noticed that until now.

[bigbob]

Just doesn't seem fair . . . (to the others in the group -- they don't stand a chance!)

I don't think I ever got above playing a mp to low mf, to keep a proper balance - the middle of the "mall" was extremely live and I really had to hold back. A smaller tuba would have been more appropriate, but not had the depth of sound. I used my son's little 12j a few days later for a strolling thing on Christmas Eve, and it just wasn't the same.
One of the reasons I am sitting so sideways is not just because of the leadpipe angle, but also to keep on eye on the director (1st trombone) who would otherwise be buried behind the bell.

(Before anybody starts getting too jealous, this is shaping up to be a very decent tuba as I have continued tweaking tubing lengths, but is still far from the Mother-Of-All-Rotary-Tubas aka MOART)

The wheels do look like they are coming out of the tuba; I had not noticed that until now.

Hi Marty as you tweek and perfect your great looking tuba do you think you could send pictures and let us (me) know the things you are doing?? Thanks in advance..BB