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arminhachmer · Post by **arminhachmer** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:25 pm

Anyone know what this low brass well rounded Balkan cutie might be?
Armin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKrj_6d3z-s" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:36 pm

arminhachmer wrote:Anyone know what this low brass well rounded Balkan cutie might be?
Armin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKrj_6d3z-s" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

Good grief. What a racket. I especially like the drummer pretending to like the sax solo.

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:03 pm

http://tkachenko.co.uk/instruments.html#TUBA

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:35 pm

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imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:22 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tárogató

The link works in real life, but the TN software doesn’t recognize it as true link, possibly due to the odd letters.

K

arminhachmer · Post by **arminhachmer** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:22 am

Thank You gentlemen. I can see now its a helicon.

Schlepperello: how 'bout gettin' one o' those too? Looks easy to hold.

Klaus: Thats a great link of Paul Tkachenko.

Bloke, the feel of that tune reminds me of taking Klezmer in bandcamp
a while back. I liked it. Good, lively, happy stuff. Well, Klezmer is defined as the celebratory music of eastern european jews.

The world of music is vast. Some drunken musician are half-vast.
No one on tubenet. Of course.

arminhachmer · Post by **arminhachmer** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:28 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKrj_6d3z-s" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank[/quote]

Good grief. What a racket. I especially like the drummer pretending to like the sax solo.[/quote]

haha...hey Dan, thats the back of somebodies woodshed/chicken coop. When they moved the chickens out, the accoustics went edgey.

Armin

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:33 am

arminhachmer wrote: Klaus: Thats a great link of Paul Tkachenko.

Point being that the player in the video is Paul T. And the link leads to his description of his instruments including that helicon.

Klaus

arminhachmer · Post by **arminhachmer** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:26 am

Yes, i saw the helicon described as Russian.
I did not recognize the player as Paul T.

PaulTkachenko · Post by **PaulTkachenko** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:36 am

Hi folks - yes, it's me.

I posted it on youtube quite a few years ago now.

Helicon comes from 1960s Kiev (so, Soviet). B flat. More than that I couldn't say, but I've seen quite a few pop up on eBay in the past - although they are often in a bit of a state.

Build quality is poor, but sound is great.

I had the valves totally rebuilt and the bell detatchable - I should post some pics here.

I still don't have a bag/case for it. I don't want to spend too much money ... If I had one, I'd play it a bit more!

Sax player is Nick Roth - he's one of the best players I know. He's based in Dublin and his main band are called Yurodny.

Yes, wooden sax thing is taragota ...

arminhachmer · Post by **arminhachmer** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:05 am

Hi Paul, thanks a lot. Loved the music and the horn is cool. I am a new owner of a
helicon from the 1800's. Made by Henry Distin in Pensylvania. Will have to wait to get it in a few weeks. Yes, post some pix of the Kiev heli...please.
Armin

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:33 am

10 years ago German eBay was flooded with Red Army band instruments left behind, when they went back to Russia or Ukraine or whatever.

I didn’t buy any back then due to the bad build quality and the often bad maintenance. I kind of regret that as some of the designs were interesting. These huge almost flareless helicon bells rarely, if ever, are seen from other sources.

Klaus

David Richoux · Post by **David Richoux** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:24 pm

arminhachmer wrote: Bloke, the feel of that tune reminds me of taking Klezmer in bandcamp
a while back. I liked it. Good, lively, happy stuff. Well, Klezmer is defined as the celebratory music of eastern european jews.

The world of music is vast. Some drunken musician are half-vast.
No one on tubenet. Of course.

There is a strong connection between Balkan Brass and Klez - The Roma musicians often crossed paths with Klezmorim in southern Europe and exchanged songs and styles. If you want a modern interpretation, check out Frank London's Klezmer Brass All-Stars (and read his semi-serious dissertation on the topic

)
I have been following this style for many years now (mostly as DJ or listener) and it is quite interesting to see how some "Western" brass musicians have picked up on it and mixed genres (Polkas, Jazz, Klez, Folk, Political, Rock, Fanfare, Balkan, Marches, Afro-Pop, Bollywood, Banda, Whatever...) it all works!

PaulTkachenko · Post by **PaulTkachenko** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:47 pm

Mark Rubin's work with Frank is particularly good.

I think there is a clip on you tube of me doing a tuba solo with Frank at the Jazz Cafe here in London ... I'd post a link, except I'm on the Blackberry at the moment ...

David Richoux · Post by **David Richoux** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:11 pm

PaulTkachenko wrote:Mark Rubin's work with Frank is particularly good.

I think there is a clip on you tube of me doing a tuba solo with Frank at the Jazz Cafe here in London ... I'd post a link, except I'm on the Blackberry at the moment ...

Is it on your Youtube Page? or one of his many videos?

PaulTkachenko · Post by **PaulTkachenko** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:49 pm

Search 'KlezFest 2009 Klezmer Klimax Faculty Concert 4' and it should come up.

David Richoux · Post by **David Richoux** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:40 pm

I just watched a whole bunch of them - must have been a fun time for everybody!
A few years ago Frank appeared at a San Francisco music series with his "West Coast Klezmer All-Stars (local alt.brass musicians who got together for a 2 hour rehearsal and 3 hour gig.) it was an incredible show!

PaulTkachenko · Post by **PaulTkachenko** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:54 pm

The guy is a legend and an inspiration. Killer trumpet player too - a real listener.

aqualung · Post by **aqualung** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:26 am

bloke wrote: I know of some straight wooden "saxophone-like" instruments (with upside-down single-reed mouthpieces) that (though I do not know what they are called) are just about the length of an alto sax.

Taragato

Donn · Post by **Donn** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:40 pm

Or tarogato, believe that's the way I've seen it spelled.

Just caught the video - nice - seems to start in the middle of the tune, though! We play it in my band. We get a lot of mileage out of the first part - people sing along, etc., would never have guessed. And we have an alto sax solo right in the same spot, but as bloke alluded to, this guy gets closer to the Balkan style in places.

It takes a while to get that harmonic structure, but more superficially, even the strident sound doesn't seem to come naturally to our horn players. The reeds aren't screechy enough, brasses aren't blatty enough - we use trombones instead of baritones, but sadly they do not blat much anyway. Which you might think would be for the better, but actually in my opinion it thickens up the mix so together we're more cacophonous. Tuba player in another local band does really well, in my opinion, with the tuba version of that: big solid contrabass low end out of his big Holton sousaphone, but a dry-ish sound with an edge, comes through loud and clear but at the same time there's plenty of room for bones etc. to play over him.

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