Visit to the JinBao factory *Horn dorn*

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:40 am

For your interest here are some pictures from my visit to JinBao in China.

And for those of you that have asked, part including complete valve assemblies are available to order. Contact myself in Europe, Al Trippett, or Tom McGrady in the USA to include in our next order.

Pictures in this post are in factory showroom

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:45 am

Me trying the JBFB-600 F tuba (this one seemed to have much better intonation than one I tried at Beijing music Fair, so I guess they vary)...

and some more pics moving into the assembly room.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:50 am

and more in the assembly and packing areas

charvette1000 · Post by **charvette1000** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:54 am

How did you like the JBBB-210 BBb (construction, tuning...)? I'm about to buy a b-tuba (Jupiter JCB-780L) but a cheaper alternative would be nice for my occasional playing.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:01 am

charvette1000 wrote:How did you like the JBBB-210 BBb (construction, tuning...)? I'm about to buy a b-tuba (Jupiter JCB-780L) but a cheaper alternative would be nice for my occasional playing.

The gold brass one I tried felt great to play with full tone and seemingly good intonation (although I did not check with tuner). This is an instrument I would be happy playing in band. My wife thought it sounded good too.

The 210 is a nice tuba which I am going to order for stock. Contact me for price if interested. I don't yet know how much extra for gold brass.

Lingon · Post by **Lingon** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:39 pm

I am aware of that this is the conical forum but did you see any bass and/or contrabass trombone related stuff? The Jinbao contrabass trombone in F was discussed earlier here on tubenet and there was a bit of trouble with the valves, so I am interested in if they may have reworked or developed that part of the horn since?!

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:59 pm

Lingon wrote:I am aware of that this is the conical forum but did you see any bass and/or contrabass trombone related stuff? The Jinbao contrabass trombone in F was discussed earlier here on tubenet and there was a bit of trouble with the valves, so I am interested in if they may have reworked or developed that part of the horn since?!

John, I only saw trombones in the showroom and did not ask about, so don't know. However I can still ask. If find out anything will PM you.

Aardvark892 · Post by **Aardvark892** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:52 pm

Neptune,

Sorry, but is it possible that the horn you're playing in the second picture is not a 210?

The reason I say so is because M&M has a "TU210" that I believe is the same as a JBBB-210 that looks different by quite a bit from what you're playing there. The 210 is the one I hope to purchase soon (in nickel), so I'm just being picky.

Thanks for the pictures, regardless! I really envy you.

Lingon · Post by **Lingon** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:41 am

Neptune wrote:John, I only saw trombones in the showroom and did not ask about, so don't know. However I can still ask. If find out anything will PM you.

Thanks Jonathan, looking forward to that.
One more thing. From what I have understood, at Yamaha in Japan a lot of the people building the instruments are musicians in some way. It would be interesting to know if you have heard anything about the situtaion at Jinbao and perhaps some other makers in China?

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:15 am

Lingon wrote:One more thing. From what I have understood, at Yamaha in Japan a lot of the people building the instruments are musicians in some way. It would be interesting to know if you have heard anything about the situtaion at Jinbao and perhaps some other makers in China?

I don't know the situation at JinBao (I did not ask), but at Huashen there was a picture of the factory band in the bosses office. I enquired about and was told that they believe the workers better understand the needs of musicians and take care in building the instruments if they play music themselves. They therefore encourage them to learn to play and join the band. The band picture is in the company catalogue which I will scan and post once home.

At JinBao they are very proud that their instruments were used at the opening ceremony of the 2008 Beijing Olympics. There are pictures of such in the JinBao catalogue.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:15 pm

Aardvark892 wrote:Sorry, but is it possible that the horn you're playing in the second picture is not a 210?

All I can say is that tuba was clearly labelled 210, but maybe JinBao label was wrong or M&M illustration wrong? Will find out when actual 210 arrives with order.

Best,
Jonathan

tubamlb · Post by **tubamlb** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:26 pm

Hi
So glad you all are impressed with the Jinbao factory,
There has been in the past so many persons knocking the fine instruments

The Player is playing our 500L 3/4 Tuba not the 210L

The Contra Trombone serious 11 valves are AAA1 , We have been selling this instrument for 2 years with great results

We are stocking all the Tubas and other instruments here in the US and we will never be under sold and we have warrantee service and parts for Jinbao and other brands
Thank you
Tubamm

For mor information call or E Mail, tubamlb@aol.com" target="_blank Or Web page Tubamm.com

tubaforce · Post by **tubaforce** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:01 am

Definitely NOT the 210!
The 210 is sold by MM as 210, by TE as an 818 and Laab's seems to be 62! Laab's is still sticking to their "American Heritage" BS! Decent, good playing clones of English, German and Swiss designs , but nothing American about 'em! I am constantly amazed at the consitency, especially when it comes to their more recent offerings, of JinBao's Instruments! The Chinese are here to stay, and are already, IMHO, better than Jupiter was 20 years ago! Now if only they can come up with engineers capable of original designs, and who can make neccesary improvements to existing designs...

Al

Aardvark892 · Post by **Aardvark892** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 2:16 am

tubaforce wrote:Definitely NOT the 210!
The 210 is sold by MM as 210, by TE as an 818 and Laab's seems to be 62! Laab's is still sticking to their "American Heritage" BS! Decent, good playing clones of English, German and Swiss designs , but nothing American about 'em! I am constantly amazed at the consitency, especially when it comes to their more recent offerings, of JinBao's Instruments! The Chinese are here to stay, and are already, IMHO, better than Jupiter was 20 years ago! Now if only they can come up with engineers capable of original designs, and who can make neccesary improvements to existing designs...

Al

I agree completely, but let's hope that as their quality improves their price stays consistently low. I don't want them to shut out other manufacturers, but at the same time Jin Bao and companies like that are opening the field to beginners and to other tuba enthusiasts who don't have the HUGE chunk of change most European and American tubas cost. Think about the middle class parents of a 6th grader whose just told them that he/she wants to play the tuba, just like mine back in 1976. Rentals are all but non-existant, and unless they know what to look for, all they'll see are horns in the $6000 and higher range. I'm glad to see that Wessex sells these horns truthfully and I hope that more stores become willing to advertise that yes, these horns are made in China, but yes they are good quality, low price horns that would work perfectly for your child, Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

Gilligan · Post by **Gilligan** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:09 am

I gotta admit I'mm still abit confused about that Jim Labb's naming convention.

AND I play one....JBBB-210

It is called an American Heritage, by Schiller of Frankfrut, Germany
who has a stencil built by JinBao in China who copied it from a Hurschbrunner
tuba made in Switzerland and only sold thought a store in middle America.

Hell of a route for that Great "American" Sound!

It is still a great horn for the price!

Michael Bush · Post by **Michael Bush** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:51 am

Frankfurt, Germany has absolutely nothing to do with it. That is pure fiction. Swiss design, made in China, stenciled with a bunch of perfect nonsense about "Schiller" and "Frankfurt" and sent to Wisconsin. So at least we can take Germany out of the route.

Lingon · Post by **Lingon** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:42 am

tubamlb wrote:Hi
...The Contra Trombone serious 11 valves are AAA1 , We have been selling this instrument for 2 years with great results...

That sounds fine. I wonder if it still has the Hagmann copies or traditional rotors? And does it still have the spitvalve with the long wire and the button at the handbrace?

Lingon · Post by **Lingon** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:57 am

Neptune wrote: ...was told that they believe the workers better understand the needs of musicians and take care in building the instruments if they play music themselves. They therefore encourage them to learn to play and join the band. The band picture is in the company catalogue which I will scan and post once home.
...At JinBao they are very proud that their instruments were used at the opening ceremony of the 2008 Beijing Olympics. There are pictures of such in the JinBao catalogue...

That is a great philosophy, I think, which will be good both for the makers, have fun in the band, and the buyers, have fun in the band. Always better with people that are proud of what they make and also use their own products. Like what we are when we manage to make reasonable noises in tune with our horns.

Looking forward to see the catalogue scans...

Apropos, in an earlier thread there was talk about the 'small' JBCB-400. Did you have any chance to try it?

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:39 pm

Lingon wrote:Apropos, in an earlier thread there was talk about the 'small' JBCB-400. Did you have any chance to try it?

No, did not see the 400 - none being produced during my factory visit. I saw the 200, 220, 300, 500, 700 and 800, plus sousaphone in the production line.

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