King 2341 tuning

[sloan]

So...we start with a 1240, add a 4th valve, change the bell...and it plays a tad sharp.

I wonder how THAT happened?

[EdFirth]

I think what we have here is the older 1240? model as evidenced by the fixed first valve slide top branch and the loop in the third valve tubing with a non King fourth valve added and a fixed raincatcher bell added. Does the bell say King on it? I agree with Rick that it's too tall to be one of the current King bells.But, since I own a newer one as well as an older one, the bell looks to be the right length for the earlier model. The main tuning slide is also the longer version, again, I have one of both styles of these too, and it's pulled kind of far out so the bell could be a little too short. I have a set of those longer ferruls, if you're interested PM me. It would probably be easier to just get a longer leadpipe or as someone already mentioned, use a bit. Good luck with it. Ed

[ibr]

Thank you for your post, Ed. Coul you explain what is "ferrul"? How I am learning write in english, some especific words and the names of the parts of instruments are hard to understend for me yet.

Tomorrow, I will post a better picture of the bell.

[iiipopes]

A "ferrule" is the connector between the various branches and bows of the tubing.

[ibr]

I am posting the photos of the bell and main tuning slide.

[ibr]

A "ferrule" is the connector between the various branches and bows of the tubing.

So, it is the "sleeve" that joinig the tubes, Right?

[Dan Schultz]

A "ferrule" is the connector between the various branches and bows of the tubing.

So, it is the "sleeve" that joinig the tubes, Right?

Yes.

[toobagrowl]

...I didn't get a picture from my tuba, but I found a similar picture on internet.

[img]http://thevillagetinker.com/King%202341%20new.jpg[/img]

... In according the table of website of King, my Tuba was made between 1970 and 1975.

...
Is the Conn Helleberg 120S a good mouthpiece to my Tuba?

The picture shows a new-style King 2341, which did not start production until about five years ago. If it has a fixed bell and is about 36 inches tall (90 cm), then it is not nearly as old as you think. King may have started their serial numbers over again since that list was compiled.

The Model 2341 tubas of the 1970's had interchangeable upright and forward bells, and the upright bells were 22" (55 cm) in diameter, and 41" (over 100 cm) tall.

That King tuba picture from Tinker's website is exactly like the King 2341 from my 1997 UMI catalog. The only difference is that in the UMI catalog, the King 2341 had a detachable bell.

From the 1997 UMI catalog:

Legend Model 2341 Tuba
Key of BBb. A full-sized tuba with a centered, rich tone.
Front action positioning of the four piston valves allows for the adjustment of the first slide during performance. .687" (17.45mm) bore, detachable yellow brass bell, clear lacquer finish, and King 24AW mouthpiece. Available with 19" (483mm) upright or 22" (559mm) front bell. Also available with three valves as the model 2340. Deluxe woodshell case available for all models.

The picture in my 1997 UMI catalog is exactly like the "new 2341" here:
http://www.wwbw.com/King-2341W-Series-4 ... 31097.wwbw" target="_blank" target="_blank

Is the short fixed-upright bell 2341 now considered old-style? I'm confused.

Anyway, ibr's tuba seems to be some type of King 2340 variant with what looks like a grafted-on Yamaha 4th valve...

[ibr]

So friends, Dan suggested make a 4th tuning slide 50mm( aprox. 2") longer. I´ve made some tests based in this measure, putting the slide in the extreme of the end of its course. I hope the tuning will be perfect with this new tuning slide. I am trying to find a way to do it, but here the resources are limited. If I could do it, I will send new information.
About the main tuning slide, it is working 45 mm ( aprox. 1 3/4") opened, even after the adaptation period(CC to BBb). I made a "little adjustment" in the ferrule, using a garden hose clamp, plastic film, and a lot of patience and carefull. Now, the main tuning slide can work 45mm opened, without fall during the performances.

Yesterday, I went to church to play, using this adjustments. The tuning of the tuba was good. I could to get a nice, dark and smooth sound. After 2 months, I am reasonably adapted to play in BBb. Only I am feeling the notes, low Eb, low D and low Db(real sounds), using the 4th key, a little "locked", but the other ones are nice. I am impressed with the king's Tuba performance. When the instrument is in tune, the sound flows and involves all church's building, like a organ´s pedals, without difficult.

I hope play this horn for long time without problems, until, may be, l find a Yamaha YCB 822-S, my dream, for sale, in good price, in a moment when I could have finantial conditions for purchase it.

Who knows one day....................., For God, all is possible.

[ibr]

Hi friends!

I have a new hope to solve this problem.

I found a part from 4th key of the weril J680 that has a same measure of the 4th tuning slide of my horn. I will try to buy it in the Weril factory. If it works well, I write a new post.

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[ibr]

Hi Friends.

I've just solved the tuning problem. It was great! The 4th key's tuning is perfect now.

I Bought the 4th tuning slide of the Weril tuba J680, and cut it in accordance to Dan's suggestion. For a good finish, I added two bits of receiver tube to hide the slide tube. I am sending some pictures to you see.

About the main tuning slide, it is working with a suitable opening, between 3/4" and 1". Maybe I am better adapted to BBb instrument now.

I'd like thank to all members that gave me your attention and hints. Thanks to all.

I hope this post may be useful to other people too in the future.