RM Bayreuth and MW Fafner

[Lew]

... More folk appear to play the Fafner over the RM that I know of ...

I understand that there are 2 versions of the Fafner, a "standard" version and the 195/2 model, which has more hand work in manufacturing. The standard model is much less expensive, which would make it even that much less expensive than the Rudy, which could explain why more of them are around.

Rudolf Meinl is also a smaller company producing a much lower volume of output, which would also reduce the number of their tubas in service vs. a M-W.

[imperialbari]

The RM company page on the 1998 German state instrument competition:

http://212.227.240.153/rudolf-meinl/seite4.html

Currently I am collecting photo material on the RM Bayreuth. When the uploads to my galleries have happened, I will announce the address.

For now each and every quality contribution is most welcome, that is: if the photographer has given his OK.

For reasons of privacy and security I do not tell about ownerships of given instruments, nor do I credit photographers (the very few exceptions are some of my own instruments).

The address to send photo contributions to is:

YorkMasterBBb@yahoo.com

That is my largest inbox, 100MB.

Klaus

aka.

Klaus Bjerre of Denmark
Retired teacher

45MB+ of free music files in .pdf format:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterBBb/files/
(Approved membership required)

Index over 1GB+ of brass instruments galleries and catalogue scans:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMaste ... III/files/
(Membership is open for all)

[Lars Trawen]

Yes, the standard 5/4-model but not the Bayreuth. It came at the same time as the Fafner.
Regards,
Lars

[Matt G]

How do the two Rudy's differ?

From looking at the rudy website, it looks as though the leadpipes are toally different in that the old 5/4 follows the top bow and curves back to lead into the valveset, where the Beyreuth follow the top bow about 3/4 of the way and then makes a vertical move straight into the valves.

It is very hard to tell by those photos, but the top bow looks to be a slightly different taper between the two and possbily the sive of the connection between the top and bottom bow.

Im guessing that the new Bayreuth is a little bit tighter through these bows from the picture. Maybe Mr. Stofer could help us out more?

[imperialbari]

From looking at the rudy website, it looks as though the leadpipes are toally different in that the old 5/4 follows the top bow and curves back to lead into the valveset, where the Beyreuth follow the top bow about 3/4 of the way and then makes a vertical move straight into the valves.

I will not comment on the company site, but kind people have allowed me to upload some high resolution photo documentation on some of the large rotary BBb tubas discussed here recently.

Below here you will find some adresses to my galleries (you have to join the Yahoo groups in question, they are free and open to all).

The photos concerning the 6/4 Rudolf Meinl can still be seen in another thread of this board, only not the photo where it is compared to a 4RV version of the Bayreuth.

And then Lars from Sweden has sent me more photos of his huge Melton (MW) 200 BBb 4RV. Plus of a 5RV version of the Bayreuth BBb owned by a friend of his.

If you choose to look at the Full Size versions of the photos, then please be aware, that some of them have a file size of well over 1MB.

The following is an alphabetical excerpt of the not yet uploaded newest version of my gallery index:

Thumbnails of a Melton (Meinl-Weston) 200 BBb tuba 4RV + 2nd slide tuning trigger:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/yo ... de+trigger

A photo comparing the above tuba with a Rudolf Meinl 5/4 Bayreuth model BBb 5RV:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/yo ... 200BBb.jpg

Thumbnail of a Meinl Weston Fafner BBb tuba 4RV:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/yo ... tuba4R.jpg


Thumbnails of a Rudolf Meinl 5/4 BBb 5RV Model Bayreuth Among them a comparison with the Melton (MW) 200:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/yo ... b+tuba+5RV

Thumbnail of two Rudolf Meinl 4RV BBb tubas, a 4RV version of the 5/4 Bayreuth (almost like the one above here) and the 6/4 presented below here:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/yo ... +tubas.jpg

Thumbnails of a Rudolf Meinl 6/4 BBb 4RV:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/yo ... -4+BBb+4RV


Klaus

[imperialbari]

The nature of the Yahoo groups system implies, that you have to join the group, where the specific photos are placed. There only is 30MB of photospace and 20MB of file space within each group.

As you obviously have a Yahoo account, there are no problems in joining any extra numbers of Yahoo groups.

You may like this or not, but I am not ready (nor able) to pay hundreds of $$ a month to rent commercial server space approaching 2GB.

This project is made for the true brass freaks with a genuine wish to see photos of instruments from often extinct makers and high quality illustrations of more recent instruments. Plus the several catalogue scans. I am grateful to the gallery contributors. There is no single photo taken by myself represented.

Actually I use these groups for my own references, when I approach questions about brasses on the many lists I follow more or less intensely (but then I am a born group member of the gallery groups).

My experience is that you will find no privately maintained, and possibly neither a museum maintained, collection of brass photos holding as many brass photos accessible through a fairly clearly structured index.

There are compromisses to be found in the index, which mostly is structured by the alphabetical rank of the last name of the maker. But some makers like Couesnon and Courtois have to be held together around their common denominator: the French C tuba.

Sometimes you will find a mix of chronological organisation and organisation by instrument size within some makers covering most of the valved brass history.

But I am NOT an educated librarian, and the schizosseries are no worse, than I can look through them myself.

And I do NOT remember each and every entry in the galleries, even if I have memo systems connected to my knowledge of German and Czech geography.

A main reason for my own use of the galleries over my own hard disks is, that it is a superb way to proof the system. I do find errors, which are corrected immediately. But we are down in the 1%- magnitude.

Another shortcoming is the lack of many run-of-the-mill piston trumpets and valveless trombones. They are just too standard for my eyes.

If you find other collections presenting equally valuable and still expanding galleries of brass photos without the hassles of the Yahoo system, please tell me. And I will avoid announcing my uploads on this board.

Klaus

[Tigerreydelaselva]

Can you put the pictures directly here in this site? the yahoo webpage is never functioning...