If your spouse stayed at home, what would you expect?

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What expected duties would there be?

 
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MaryAnn wrote:
ThomasDodd wrote:The first 4 are ok. Although you have to keep an eye on the money sometimes. For years my wife wouldn't touch the checkbook.

Mowing the grass is my escape. A cigar and a riding mower, see you in a few hours:)

Vehicles? Most women have trouble find the gas cap, never mind crawling under a car.
Just shows what people pick. I do the checkbook, love mowing the lawn (when I had one, here we have gravel) and used to work as a motorcycle mechanic.

MA, who will forego the cigar
Notice I did say most. I know a few guys who don't know what the 710 cap* is either

As to the cigar... I'm not particurlly forn of women who smoke them, and my wife doesn't allow them in the house. She making inroads into the finances though. Real eye-opener for her.


*If you don't know the joke. Write 710 on a piece of paper, then rotate the paper 180 degrees.
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I am the only child of a single mother. My father is a selfish @@@@@ who abandoned us when I was 2. Unfortunately, this does seem to happen far too often.

I am used to having a strong woman role-model in my life, so thats what I am attracted to in women. I do not respect any woman who stays at home when there are ZERO children to raise!! I have known several women who, when they got married, quit their jobs and stayed at home, even when kids were not present, nor were they even attempting to have kids!! That, in my opinion, is called freeloading...

My wife works. She works harder than I do (not because I am lazy, but because I ahve an easy job), and I deeply respect her for it!

When we have kids, we will make the decision whether she continues working. I would prefer she stays home with the kid, at least through till preschool, but it may not be financially possible... Though, we would save a TON on daycare...

Something I hope we wont have to think about for at least 3 more years :)
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None, the job of a SAHM (stay at home mom) is to be a MOM and to keep the KIDS happy!

All of the other things are pluses. (if you are married to one)You should get down on your knees and kiss her feet, IMO, becuase being a SAHM is HARD WORK! I certainly couldn't do it.
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MomOfSampson wrote:None, the job of a SAHM (stay at home mom) is to be a MOM and to keep the KIDS happy!

All of the other things are pluses. (if you are married to one)You should get down on your knees and kiss her feet, IMO, becuase being a SAHM is HARD WORK! I certainly couldn't do it.
This is certainly true! To this I must add that the job of raising the kids is also one of the most wonderful things one gets to do in this world. My wife stayed home for the early years of my kids lives. I am very grateful for this, and I believe my now grown kids are, too.
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I'd expect her to get as much done as she can. And since I was selective about who I married, and married someone I trust, if I found some number of chores undone when I got home I knew it was because the kids needed her enough that day that she couldn't do all the housework. There are always nap times, and times the kids are playing by themselves or with each other, so I think it's reasonable to expect that SAHMs can get SOME housework done MOST days -- but I leave that to HER judgment, and work with her when I get home to do the rest (or take over the kids so she can get it done).

No, my Dad didn't do that when I was a kid. And I never had much of a relationship with him, compared to what my kids have with me. Nor did my Mom have time to do things with us, guide us, teach us, the way my wife did with our kids, 'cause she was busy doing housework.
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Expectation is a dangerous thing. The more you expect, the more you'll be disappointed.

And the more you expect in the way of service from your spouse, the more you treat your spouse like an attendant at McDonalds.

I've found that the less I expect, the more I get.

But I'll let you in on a secret of feminine score-keeping: Tasks that you enjoy do not count.

Example:

A fried of mine back in Texas moved to a point midway between San Antonio and Austin because his wife worked in Austin and he in San Antonio. Because of the long commute distances, he changed the oil on their cars frequently. This was not considered work, because he was hobbyist mechanic and therefore changing the oil was "fun". Nevermind that it kept him from working on his project, a 1972 Triumph Stag that he was rebuilding.

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Share the housekeeping and the expenses. I remarried six years ago after getting fed up with the clothes-horse/high maintenance slug I put up with for 28 years. Now... it's quite nice to be married to a professional who also makes a living. I don't mess with her business and she doesn't mess with mine. Seperate checkbooks, credit cards, etc. We don't have a clue what each other makes. Perfect! :) :) :) We're very happy with it that way.
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Joe Baker wrote:No, my Dad didn't do that when I was a kid. And I never had much of a relationship with him, compared to what my kids have with me. Nor did my Mom have time to do things with us, guide us, teach us, the way my wife did with our kids, 'cause she was busy doing housework.
Looks like you turned out alright. Much better that those who grew up in "Day Care" seam to be doing.
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ThomasDodd wrote: Looks like you turned out alright. Much better that those who grew up in "Day Care" seam to be doing.
Well, I'll leave it to others to measure how I turned out, but I do want to clarify that I VERY much appreciate my parents. My Dad busted his hump to do what he knew to do, which was to provide for us. My Mom did exactly what SHE understood she was to do, which was mostly to run the household. And it's not like they never spent time with us, just not as much as my wife and I have done with our kids. We chose to make a slight shift from 'taking care of our work' toward 'spending time with our kids', and I think it's an improvement; but please, don't ANYONE think I have anything but the utmost love, respect, and appreciation for my parents.

BTW, when I was a kid I didn't know anyone whose parents were divorced, or whose mother worked full-time outside the house. I don't know if women have it better today or not, but an awful lot of kids sure don't.
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Joe Baker wrote:Joe Baker, who REALLY got to know his Dad after he was grown.
Count your blessings there too.
My father died before I was 25.

But I'll bet my childhood and yours wern't much different. I think I spend more time with my kid, but then again, I may not remember back that far very well either.
:idea: Perhaps I did get more time than I think.
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TubaTinker wrote:Share the housekeeping and the expenses. I remarried six years ago after getting fed up with the clothes-horse/high maintenance slug I put up with for 28 years. Now... it's quite nice to be married to a professional who also makes a living. I don't mess with her business and she doesn't mess with mine. Seperate checkbooks, credit cards, etc. We don't have a clue what each other makes. Perfect! :) :) :) We're very happy with it that way.
Perfect!! Exactly how I like to do it, if I can find a partner who actually has a job instead of just being charming.

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tubalawlisa wrote: (I'm not a feminist either though).
Why not? To me "feminist" means equal pay for equal work, equal opportunity for equal talent. What's wrong with that? The rest of what you wrote sounds pretty clearly feminist to me. How are you defining feminist?
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I have been married for more than 25 years. During the first part of our marriage my wife was going to college and I was working full time, so we shared pretty much equally. OK, I did more of the "guy" stuff, like dealing with the yard, cars, and money, and she did more of the cleaning. I did more cooking and food shopping.

When the children were born she stayed at home while I worked full time. We never discussed who would do what, but each of us did what needed to be done when we saw it needed doing, and asked if we needed help with something. We still split responsibilities, like cooking and cleaning, while I took care of the heavy lifting.

By the time the children were in middle school my wife was still staying at hoem, but due to extensive travel in my work we agreed that she would take on more of the home related tasks.

Now that we have an "empty nest," we are both working and going back to school. A lawn service does the lawn, a cleaning service cleans the house, we eat most of our meals out. We do prepare the occaisional meal at home and do our own laundry, she does her clothes, I do mine.

Some of these things we discussed. Others happened "organically." I don't expect her to do anything and she doesn't expect me to, but things that need to get done get done.
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Lew wrote:I don't expect her to do anything and she doesn't expect me to, but things that need to get done get done.
That says it better than I did, and agrees with what others have said. But it assumes that people are basically responsible, and I know that not all people are.

So, pick your spouse well. The ones who are accustomed to doing what needs to be done without being told or forced will continue to be that way.

One thing I know for sure: When the word "me" becomes more important than any other word, there will be problems. The doomed relationships are the ones characterized by worrying about whether we are getting what we want out of it. The best relationships seem to be more focused on providing what the other person needs, and if both do it, both end up getting more than they would ever get by making demands. That, to me, is the biblical formula. It requires submission by the husband to the needs of the wife (as Christ was submissive to the needs of people), and submission by the wife to the needs of the husband. People who are that way seem to be secure in themselves, centered, and self-sufficient. Amazing how that turns out.

And to balance the one-sided notion that the Bible says the wife should be slave-like, I keep Proverbs 31:10-31 in mind. In that passage, the "worthy woman" is described as being quite self-sufficient, a business owner and a land owner. It says to give her the product of her hands (i.e., what she has earned--there's your Biblical basis for equal-pay-for-equal-work). She takes what she earns through business dealings and invests them in other business dealings for the good of the household. She doesn't just do housework, she runs the household. That's a lot more partner-like than most people's perceptions of what the Bible says about women. All the other passages about submission need to be balanced against how that submission is manifested in action, which is what this passage shows. And we should remember that whatever submission the wife shows to the husband, he is expected to show to God. So it's no fair demanding that the wife be submissive when the husband is a selfish tyrant.

Of course, that passage also says that a worthy woman fears (respects) God. Selfishness is destructive in either sex.

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I'm with Lew.

I have still not voted on this poll because I feel it is asinine.

Expectations lead to self-fulfilling prophecies, either good or bad.



What happens when the situation changes?

"Well you were supposed to do x and I am supposed to do y. But because of the situation you expect us to change? Well, I guess so." (Loaded with resentment)

My wife and I got married young (23 for me and 21 for her). She went into her master's degree right away, while I used my bachelor's in music ed to work in a warehouse to help make ends meet. Now I am about to finish my MBA, seven years later, going to school full time and working part time, because she makes the dough that allows me to do so. During that time, roles have changed and we have had to do different things. If something needs to get done, then the person with the most amount of time and resources to do the job is the one who will do it. It could be as simple as doing the dishes.

FWIW, this transcends the spousal unit relationship. This applies to your job, your church, whatever. Some people are harder workers then others. Some people need different motivation. It is our own responsibility to try to understand the people we work with and how they work best. Integration of abilities is much stronger that segreation of abilities. Synergy. Remember? Strength in numbers, but only if they act as one.
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