What's a HirsCHbrunner?

[Bob Kolada]

I see this spelling a lot in older posts. Common misspelling, pronunciation,...?

[imperialbari]

Actually Hirschbrunner is the correct (original) spelling for the game warden with the responsibility for the well securing the watering of the game.

Hirsbrunner is a derivate, possibly dialectal, spelling.

Klaus

[GC]

Hoisbrunnah?

[cjk]

They've got great false tones! Buy my Ebs!

[pjv]

Funny,

The abbreviation for Switzerland is CH (from Confoederatio Helvetica). Exactly the 2 missing letters.

Are you sure they just didn't drop the CH when they turned dutch? (he he)

[pgym]

I see this spelling a lot in older posts. Common misspelling, pronunciation,...?

The Custom Music folks I've dealt with over the years (including Fred Marrich before his passing) have always pronounced the name/brand "Hirschbrunner," presumably, because that's how the Hirsbrunners pronounce it. I presume that the misspelling "Hirschbrunner" is a phonetic respelling of the pronunciation.

[imperialbari]

The Custom Music folks I've dealt with over the years (including Fred Marrich before his passing) have always pronounced the name/brand "Hirschbrunner," presumably, because that's how the Hirsbrunners pronounce it. I presume that the misspelling "Hirschbrunner" is a phonetic respelling of the pronunciation.

Why post such nonsense? Hirsch is the official German spelling:

[mclaugh]

Dear "Richard" ... I mean "Klaus,"

In case you failed to notice (which, clearly, you did):

A) The Hirsbrunner family spell it "Hirsbrunner," not "Hirschbrunner." That makes the "official" spelling of the first syllable in German, English, French, Norwegian, Finnish, or whatever other language you care to name "HIRS" not "HIRSCH";

B) Bob's question is not what the etymology of "Hirbrunner" is, but why some people spell it as "Hirschbrunner." The most likely answer is that it's a phonetic respelling based on the pronunciation.

Thanks for playing, though.

Better luck next time.

[imperialbari]

Who missed what?

Calling the standard German spelling, Hirschbrunner, the phonetic spelling of a family name, Hirsbrunner, is nonsense.

You behave as it were you that have talked tubas and brass quite thoroughly with the present owner of the Hirsbrunner company. A talk that was carried out in high German.

There are American TubeNetters with a good grip on German, but they are no the majority you belong to.

Klaus

[PMeuph]

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Calling the standard German spelling, Hirschbrunner, the phonetic spelling of a family name, Hirsbrunner, is nonsense.
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I mean no disrespect Klaus, but you are implying that the people who spell it with the added "CH" do so because of some extensive etymological research with the name, or because their understanding of German is excellent. That seems quite far-fetched.

What Bob is asking is why these posts spell it with the "ch"?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42854&start=0" target="_blank
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21876" target="_blank
and this page:
http://www.mackbrass.com/" target="_blank

I vote for misspelling based on the phonetics.

[Rick Denney]

The pronunciation I often hear is "HERSHbrooner". I would have thought it more likely "HEERSHbrunneh", but I only attract laughter when I try to pronounce things in German. I'm pretty sure what I often hear is as wrong as my own common wrong pronunciation, which is "HEERSbruner." But those German S things always mess me up.

Swiss German is probably it's own beast, just like Swiss French or Swiss Italian.

Family names are subject to all manner of spelling distortions over time. My own name comes from an Medieval French description of the Danes who settled along the Norman coast. It was "L'Dennes"; "of the Danes", in that language. When those Danes moved over to Merrie Olde, and starting speaking the bastardization of the Anglo-Saxon that became English, they pronounced it the way the French did. When those names were written down, probably by different people, they either wrote them down as they heard them (which became Denney, Denny, or Dennehy) or they wrote them as they imagined the French had spelled it (which became Dennis).

But if you are writing my name, I prefer the spelling which my branch of that that vast diaspora have used for hundreds of years, DENNEY.

I suspect that Herr Hirsbrunner (RIP) would appreciate the same consideration.

There is a difference when one language has characters or diacritical markings not generally used in a different language, in which case they usually come to accept a reasonable transliteration and stick with it. An example is Boehm and Meinl, because I never remember which ALT-combination produces the umlaut o.

Rick "suspecting Klaus may not have realized my roots are Danish--maybe 800 years ago anyway" Denney

[GC]

The only thing that really counts is the way the owner of the company writes and pronounces it.

[Toobist]

C'mon fellas... Let's play nice.

Let's not come off as Douschebags.

[imperialbari]

My own name comes from an Medieval French description of the Danes who settled along the Norman coast. It was "L'Dennes"; "of the Danes", in that language. When those Danes moved over to Merrie Olde, and starting speaking the bastardization of the Anglo-Saxon that became English, they pronounced it the way the French did. When those names were written down, probably by different people, they either wrote them down as they heard them (which became Denney, Denny, or Dennehy) or they wrote them as they imagined the French had spelled it (which became Dennis).

So Peter Falk was an in-law of yours?

[michaelkeys]

As swiss german is my language, I can answer you that question.
It's pronaunced with S not with Sh or Sch.

[Michael Bush]

It seems like this whole thing has been harder than it needs to be.

Family names are spelled and pronounced the way the family spells and pronounces them.

And Klaus is obviously correct about the derivation of the name.

[Uncle Buck]

But I am frequently filled with number two, so who knows...

Who does number two work for???