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Hello,
I've only played tuba for about a year and borrowed one from my school, but now I'm considering getting my own. However, on the school tuba I have, I can't find a brand name on it. I normally see them on the bell on other ones, but I can't find it anywhere! Any suggestions of what brand this might be or anything to help?
Thanks in advance! :tuba:
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kemist wrote:Hello,
I've only played tuba for about a year and borrowed one from my school, but now I'm considering getting my own. However, on the school tuba I have, I can't find a brand name on it. I normally see them on the bell on other ones, but I can't find it anywhere! Any suggestions of what brand this might be or anything to help?
Thanks in advance! :tuba:
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I'm not sure if this is going to work, but if you need any other pictures, let me know!
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It looks like a Conn Institutional. What's your price range?
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The only two tubas that come to mind that used that style of valve cap are the Conn 12J and Conn 15J. This one is a 15J (I think).
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bloke wrote:..... Perhaps, your tuba had its bell replaced with a bell purchased from Allied Supply...??
Or maybe the bell has been repaired/buffed until the engraving is gone!
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Like I said, I don't know much, but I do know that it's a BBb. I'm looking to purchase a tuba similar because it's really the only school tuba I like (however, the other one I played had the mouthpiece so that I had to hold it diagonally, don't know if it was damage or if it was normal), but from what you guys figured out, is this a "good" tuba? I'm a senior in high school, and I'd like to continue to play in college, but I don't really know how to go about buying one.
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If we know where you are located, we might be able to recommend a music store near you where you can play-test a possible purchase. Bloke runs one such store, near Memphis, and TubaTinker has another in Indiana.
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I am about an hour north of Pittsburgh, PA. In my town, the music stores don't carry tubas, and I don't get out much, so any recommendations would help. :)
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Hi kemist,

If I were you, I'm not sure I would go about searching for a tuba to buy based on my experience with just a few tubas from school. For one thing, it is hard enough to find a used tuba for $500 to $1200 that is playable, without specifying ". . .and it has to look like this." For another, the tuba you are specifying looks like a 3/4 size, 3 valve instrument, and most folks your age with some experience playing are going to opt for a full size (4/4) tuba or larger, and a 4 or 5 valve horn, too. So you could easily end up spending $1000 for a tuba "that looks like this" and then need to trade again when you learn a little more about tubas.

If you like the 3/4 size tuba, you might end up playing an Eb or F tuba or a euphonium, but this is a different part in the band from the BBb part you're now playing. If you continue with BBb tuba in bands, you're almost certainly going to move to a 4/4 horn. The 3/4 horns are mostly used by younger players or old guys who don't want to muscle a big horn around and don't have the breath any more for the bigger horns.

What I'm saying is that I think you need more experience before shelling out for a horn. If you wait, your college will probably have horns that you can use while in band. In most colleges, pep bands, marching bands and concert bands use college instruments and are not totally populated by music majors. After you've played a while on other instruments, you'd be in a better position to choose something that you would use for a while. In other words, a good, informed choice.

If you must have something NOW, you could consider a 3 valve Chinese horn, which would run about $1,000. The problem with this is that if you decide to sell in a year or two, you are going to take a hit on depreciation and only get $600-$700 back. . .and it could take a while to sell it. You can search the local Craigslists and look here in the for sale area if you are willing to buy without a play test. A really good idea would be to hoof it over to Baltimore (Baltimore Brass) or to NJ (Dillon Music) and spend half a day play testing various horns. You could also possibly find horns to try in Pittsburg and Cleveland, nearer to you, but nowhere like the selection at the other two places I mention. You can see some of their inventory on line at their websites.

What you are going to discover is that there just isn't any easy way to buy a tuba when you live in the country. I live in Knoxville, TN, which is not a metropolis, but isn't Petticoat Junction either. After a lot of research, I traveled to Birmingham to play test and buy a horn, and now that I'm after something else, next week I'll travel 460+ miles to look at and hopefully buy another. Unless you are really sure about a particular model, inspection and play testing is a good idea and, by buying in person, you also avoid shipping charges of about $100-$150 and the possibility of shipping damage.

I hope the above helps, even if it isn't exactly what you wanted to hear. :) :) :)
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Looks like it's gonna be a bit of a hike no matter which way you go, unless there's a closer store we don't know about. Pittsburgh and Cleveland both have symphony orchestras, wonder where their members buy their gear?

If you're going to be near Baltimore, North Jersey or southern Indiana anyway, that would be the time to stop in at one of these stores.

That Olds O-991 K-T mentioned plays quite well especially for a student horn. But it's only one of many choices.
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Thanks for all the help guys! It's just difficult to find anything because my dad isn't very willing to travel. However, when I look at other 3/4 size tubas, they seem very small to mine, so I think mine is a 4/4, but I could be wrong since I'm a newbie.
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Well... if there's not a music store versed in tubas, try locating a community band or two in the Pittsburgh area. Sit in with them and find out what's going on around town. Find a tuba teacher. The University of Pittsburgh has a music program. Try poking around there a bit. http://www.music.pitt.edu/
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Hi kemist,

I could be wrong about the 3/4 designation. I was going by how the photos initially looked to me and by the fact that others thought the horn looked like a 12J or 15J, and those are Eb tubas, according to the Conn Loyalist website. A BBb with the same dimensions would about have to be a 3/4 size BBb. Perhaps you could be surer of the size by measuring the height and width of yours and comparing it to some known 4/4 size tubas which are currently for sale. Probably some of the stores or manufacturer websites give dimensions. Size (3/4 vs 4/4) would be indicated by the whole horn being the same length of tubing, but the 3/4 would be of smaller diameter. Being smaller in diameter would probably make it a little shorter. If you compare some known 3/4 size tubas and some known 4/4 size ones, you'll probably be able to figure it out. If you post some photos that show the horn square on rather than at an angle, and maybe with a ruler in the picture somewhere, I'm sure someone can tell you what size it is. Measuring the bore will also help you type the horn.

Regardless of whether it is 3/4 or 4/4, I still think it would help you make a better choice if you had more experience with some different horns. The suggestion to join a local community band is a great one. Most musicians love to talk horns and let you try theirs.
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It looks to me like a common sort of "template" for a tuba - tubas made not only by Conn, but also that Olds 991 is real similar, there's a Reynolds version, Bach "Mercedes" etc. All good tubas, and if it works for you, that's cool because they aren't real hard to find. Don't worry if they aren't made in China, that's not always such a good deal anyway.
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royjohn wrote:Hi kemist, .....I was going by how the photos initially looked to me and by the fact that others thought the horn looked like a 12J or 15J, and those are Eb tubas, according to the Conn Loyalist website. .....
The modern 12J and 15J tubas are BBb horns.
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Tuba Tinker wrote:
The modern 12J and 15J tubas are BBb horns.
Ah, that explains it . . . I wondered why a couple of you gurus would say that the OP had an Eb horn when he called it a BBb.

As far as 3/4 vs 4/4 on the 12J and 15J, I found this thread instructive:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10714&start=0
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I'm not home at the moment to give a measurement, but my senior picture might help? Be entertained as you wish! xD
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Looks like a Conn 12J- there is a 12J on eBay at the moment and it appears identical to that one.

I'd seriously want to play-test any tuba before buying it, if I were you- if for no other reason, to see that the placement of the valve buttons or levers is a good fit for your hand.

And BTW, it's great to see more girls choosing to play tuba! :tuba:
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Heavy_Metal wrote:Looks like a Conn 12J- there is a 12J on eBay at the moment and it appears identical to that one.

I'd seriously want to play-test any tuba before buying it, if I were you- if for no other reason, to see that the placement of the valve buttons or levers is a good fit for your hand.

And BTW, it's great to see more girls choosing to play tuba! :tuba:
I found a Conn 5J on ebay that I'm liking the looks of, but not the price haha :)
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