And that is fine cause some of the older designs are so good, therefore we try to get our hands on old instruments, but there are not enough stuff for all of us. Some of the old things are also fragile and will fall apart when used or get doctored. And also, why always reinvent the wheel? Compare with the automobile industry. Now a "more-or-less" new innovation is the electrical car, but that was made more than a hundred years ago. Maybe your next car is also made in ChinaNeptune wrote:... but what I am trying to do is bring some great designs from the past back into production, if possible with enhancements...
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Ian, quit trying to cause unnecessary ****. Someone copied a horn not commonly made for decades, if ever. I thought you'd like this thing??
And yes, the Chinese contrabone is neither a Rath nor Kanstul copy. Yes a big trombone is effectively a big trombone but there are big differences between the three; proportions, valve tunings, overall feelability (don't respond unless you've seen this in person),...
Anyone else think this is screwing up orders for the Tucci Tornister tuba?
And yes, the Chinese contrabone is neither a Rath nor Kanstul copy. Yes a big trombone is effectively a big trombone but there are big differences between the three; proportions, valve tunings, overall feelability (don't respond unless you've seen this in person),...
Anyone else think this is screwing up orders for the Tucci Tornister tuba?
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"H" in German music notation is B-natural.
4350 euros is around $5800. Yeah, it's cheaper than $7000, but it's still nearly 3x the price of the Wessex.
Oh ... and German law permits manufactured items for which 40% of final assembly takes place in Germany to be labeled and sold as "Made in Germany," which begs the question ... are the HSM Tornisters actually MADE by Schmidt or simply ASSEMBLED by Schmidt from parts entirely manufactured in and imported from China?
4350 euros is around $5800. Yeah, it's cheaper than $7000, but it's still nearly 3x the price of the Wessex.
Oh ... and German law permits manufactured items for which 40% of final assembly takes place in Germany to be labeled and sold as "Made in Germany," which begs the question ... are the HSM Tornisters actually MADE by Schmidt or simply ASSEMBLED by Schmidt from parts entirely manufactured in and imported from China?
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Hi , where did you guys find the video you where talking about? I´m really interested in this tuba. Can´t find it on youtube. thanks
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I have taken down to put up more professional one shortly. That will be linked when up.solomon wrote:Hi , where did you guys find the video you where talking about? I´m really interested in this tuba. Can´t find it on youtube. thanks
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I'm looking forward to see and hear the Wessex Tornister, the BBb Travel Tuba ‘Mighty Midget’ on youtube or somewhere else.
Has anyone here on TubeNet tried this tuba? If you have, it would be nice to hear what you think of it.
Regards to all of you!
Has anyone here on TubeNet tried this tuba? If you have, it would be nice to hear what you think of it.
Regards to all of you!
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Seems to me every trumpet of a given key looks like a copy of every other. Same for violins. And flutes. And... etc. There are what, three ways french horns are wrapped?
Do players of any other instrument get wrapped around the axle if one has pretty much the same design as another, or is it just tuba players?
Do players of any other instrument get wrapped around the axle if one has pretty much the same design as another, or is it just tuba players?
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I think there are significant differences between tubas, sousaphones, helicons and tournisters, bell-front tubas and contras (and even OTS horns) - usually not so much as to what the audience might hear as what the operator hears. The bell placement for each design is quite different. This topic has gone round and round many times on Tubenet.
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Hmm ...talleyrand wrote:Seems to me every trumpet of a given key looks like a copy of every other.



And then there's this, this, and these..
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Your first picture is exactly the point. Almost every trumpet you're likely to run across at least in the US is shaped like that. Do trumpet players freak out when some manufacturer comes out with another one shaped like that?
When I look down the trumpet section in my band, from five feet away their ten or twelve different instruments are virtually identical. Obviously it would be a fun game for some to go down the score finding quirky exceptions for every instrument, but my point is valid on the whole.
When I look down the trumpet section in my band, from five feet away their ten or twelve different instruments are virtually identical. Obviously it would be a fun game for some to go down the score finding quirky exceptions for every instrument, but my point is valid on the whole.
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The fact that they appear virtually identical to many, if not most, non-trumpet players may say more about their powers of observation, their eye for detail, their lack of familiarity with the the various brands and models, and/or their lack of interest in the design choices that, if the forums on TrumpetMaster.com and TrumpetHerald.com are any indication, trumpeters get all worked up over.talleyrand wrote:Your first picture is exactly the point. Almost every trumpet you're likely to run across at least in the US is shaped like that. Do trumpet players freak out when some manufacturer comes out with another one shaped like that?
When I look down the trumpet section in my band, from five feet away their ten or twelve different instruments are virtually identical. Obviously it would be a fun game for some to go down the score finding quirky exceptions for every instrument, but my point is valid on the whole.
Edwards, for example, makes three different main tuning slides shapes for the standard models which differ in profile and radius of curvature, plus a fourth, semi-elliptical slide for their Gen 3 models. Bach also makes at least two, possibly three. There are also differences in profile and radius of curvature of the bell stem, which is another can of worms; bell taper (ditto), bell diameter (ditto); and length and radius of the bell flare (ditto). To a casual or disinterested observer whose interest runs only as far as identification of the instrument type they very well may appear largely identical, but to a trained eye or an interested observer the differences are quite noticeable, to the degree that experienced players and repair techs can often identify at a glance the make and model of a given example.
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Sure, I agree.
Suppose most tubas looked generally like a 186 (for example). Every manufacturer's tuba of that shape would have little differences such as those you point out in trumpets, like those that actually exist between the Cerveny 686 and the Miraphone 186. But they would be indistinguishable from a few feet away except to those who really know. It strikes me as interesting that this is the situation that actually prevails in the trumpet world, and no one cares.
Of course, on this site no one cares about the Cerveny/Miraphone situation, so that's an exception. But you get what we have above in this thread when almost any two other tubas share that level of similarity.
Suppose most tubas looked generally like a 186 (for example). Every manufacturer's tuba of that shape would have little differences such as those you point out in trumpets, like those that actually exist between the Cerveny 686 and the Miraphone 186. But they would be indistinguishable from a few feet away except to those who really know. It strikes me as interesting that this is the situation that actually prevails in the trumpet world, and no one cares.
Of course, on this site no one cares about the Cerveny/Miraphone situation, so that's an exception. But you get what we have above in this thread when almost any two other tubas share that level of similarity.
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... and it's Thomas and Schagerl for the win on this one.
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In trumpets, something like a Selmer Balanced Action is noticeably different from anything Bach makes. Look close and you will see design differences between all musical instruments.talleyrand wrote:Seems to me every trumpet of a given key looks like a copy of every other. Same for violins. And flutes. And... etc. There are what, three ways french horns are wrapped?