Loud lm 12

[GhostlyBoy08]

Is a loud Lm12 good for projection and low register? I just want to see if this can improve my low register playing or should i use a Mike Finn 3b instead?

[Lectron]

It does not make you improve your low register, but will allow you to play low and (very) loud.

It's not a new skill of yours, just a new tool. A fun tool thou

[royjohn]

The description of the LM-12 at their website indicates that this piece is wide but very shallow. If you want more buzz to carry outdoors, this may be it for you, but I don't think it will actually give you a dark tone with a lot of fundamental in it. Buzz and blatt, yes, but maybe not depth and sonority. Outdoors, where the fundamental cannot really develop as it can in a large room, maybe this is a great piece.

[GhostlyBoy08]

So then should i go with a mike finn instead? The mouthpiece I use now is deep and it allows me to get alot of volume out of my sousaphone.

[Lectron]

Buzz and blatt is pretty much as accurate as it gets

[royjohn]

KiltieTuba wrote:

I take it you HAVEN'T played on one then?
Not much of qualified opinion you have...

No, I haven't played one. . .I have a Loud LM-7. I do have a wide mouthpiece that is shallow and there is less fundamental and darkness than on deeper pieces. I haven't heard of the laws of physics being repealed. In addition, if there is an effect from stainless vs brass, I think it would be in the direction of more edge and not more darkness, BICBW.

It would be great if you would explain how a mouthpiece that is specifically described as being very shallow would give a dark sound vs a brilliant sound. Loud says:

This is the shallowest tuba mouthpiece cup I have EVER seen anywhere in the world!

They also compare it to Maynard Ferguson's screech piece.

Since you apparently have played on one, Kiltie, why not describe your results and perhaps even post a clip of the LM-12 vs some other pieces?

[GhostlyBoy08]

@royjohn: So your saying if i went with the mike finn then i would get a darker sound?

[royjohn]

Kiltietuba wrote:

I just find it odd that you make a recommendation regarding a mouthpiece you've NEVER played.

It was an opinion about what a person MIGHT find with a very shallow cupped mouthpiece, nothing more. I thought we were here to discuss. . .in the future I'll remember that you prefer that no one express an opinion on any mouthpiece they haven't played.

Where are your videos of the LM-12 and other "more deeper" mouthpieces? And where are the discussions of the LM-12? Post some links.

[Lectron]

One can sound decent with the LM12...And LM10 for that matters, and it makes it easier to play low.

But. It takes skill and is not easy. I had to walk down to my practice room to check it out and was surprised.
It was worse in my memory. Far worse in fact, but you can not make that deep soft enveloping sound in the
low register. But one can make a hymn sound good. My York was in fact singing. Not a very dark sound, but singing

To me it's like any other very shallow MPs. Too many trade off to make it a do it all MP
Recommending it to a novice might not be a particular good idea

[Untersatz]

Besides, this topic has been covered several times before and, I believe, you are certainly more than capable to SEARCH for those topics and find your answers there.

Ian, this is a discussion board, and people are allowed to ask questions & offer opinions they might have.

[Lectron]

Huh?????

What has Southern Tenant Farmers Union to do with this

[Lectron]

I am not sure what you are trying to do here Ian, but it does not look very......healthy?

One can tell quite a bit from a MP's geometry and as a person with 1st hand experience with the MP, I'd say he is right.
It doesn't have to be only Buzz and blatt, but it sure it THE MP that can generate the most of it.

You getting different result than me, well. I guess I just need to take your word for that thou it ain't easy
as it seems to me that arguing and disagreeing is what you do best. Just an observation.

[Bob Kolada]

I had one for a while and didn't find it that different from my PT48. The 12 costs more so I sold that and kept the 48.

[GhostlyBoy08]

I guess i just really need a heavy weight tuba mouthpiece then. Any suggestions?

[Untersatz]

I guess i just really need a heavy weight tuba mouthpiece then. Any suggestions?

What mouthpiece are you using now?
It helps to know where you are coming from, so others can help you get where you want to be

[GhostlyBoy08]

It looks a bit like a douglas yeo mouthpiece but the only marking it has is 24aw1. Its a little bit heavier than other mouthpieces that Ive used in the past.

[Untersatz]

A 24AW is not a very large mouthpiece. It sounds like you need some a little bigger
than that to get the BIG sound that you want. A Mike Finn MF3B is a very large MP
and it is definitely a heavy wall MP too!

[GhostlyBoy08]

So a mike finn would be good to use? I was thinking that too. I dont think a shallow mouthpiece would work for me. The 24aw1 mouthpiece i use now allows me to get alot of volume when i need it and also lets me get a good full tone. Im a sophomore in high school and i feel im ready for a bigger mouthpiece. Do you have the mike finn 3b? if so tell me your experience. I was also looking to get a size 18 megatone. Basically, Im looking for a mouthpiece that is heavy walled and deep as i want to be able to blend into the band more.

[royjohn]

Here's what I actually said about the LM-12:

The description of the LM-12 at their website indicates that this piece is wide but very shallow. If you want more buzz to carry outdoors, this may be it for you, but I don't think it will actually give you a dark tone with a lot of fundamental in it. Buzz and blatt, yes, but maybe not depth and sonority. Outdoors, where the fundamental cannot really develop as it can in a large room, maybe this is a great piece.

I have added the emphasis to show that I expressed an opinion and did not make any categorical statements. I did not offer a recommendation and I did not say that the LM-12 only gives you buzz and blatt.

KiltieTuba, I did make a search at your suggestion, but what I pulled up seemed to support my view rather than yours, so I asked for your links. I'll take a look at them. Even allowing more than the respect that is due to your replies, I have to think that you need some help with attributing meaning correctly when you quote. If we want to see gross distortion, misquoting and mischaracterizing of the other side's opinion, we can watch the news . . .

But I'm with you on one thing. . . I can't see why anyone would want to cuss at a mild mannered, courteous, kind and non-combative young fellow like yourself, who shows so much reasonableness and cooperation. Such a response CERTAINLY WAS NOT provoked by you.

[royjohn]

Kiltie,
Having looked at the links you posted and searched around some through five topics, here's what I find as the only post which actually mentions the LM-12:

WTB: Loud LM-12
Postby tjcmus » Sun May 01, 2011 5:50 am

Hi,

New to the forum, but owing to a project I've become involved in. It's become necessary to have a mouthpiece that gives that blatty, hard-edged, "good lord that is nasty" sound without bursting a lung to do so..

I know many regard the Loud LM-12 as some what of a gimmick; just good for exactly that. Which is why it's perfect.

Maybe I am misreading this, but he seems to be saying EXACTLY what I said.

Any fool can put a couple of words in a search engine and post the links. It takes a little more intelligence and concern to show your views to best advantage to actually look for what supports them. Where are the other people who are saying that an LM-12 is NOT a mouthpiece that encourages a brilliant, carrying tone, but not a dark and sonorous one?