Schiller / Jupiter copy?

Tubaman2365 · Post by **Tubaman2365** » Sun May 19, 2013 3:08 pm

I need to get this!! My sub tones just are not vociferous!!

Bob Kolada · Post by **Bob Kolada** » Sun May 19, 2013 4:34 pm

Kinda looks like it, but I don't think the Jupiter has a leadpipe tuning slide. I wonder where that extra length comes from.

MartyNeilan · Post by **MartyNeilan** » Mon May 20, 2013 9:48 pm

They basically slapped a piston valveset onto the rotary tuba body. Piston valvesets are shorter than comparable rotary valvesets, and the leadpipe entry for a piston valveset is significantly closer to the mouthpiece than on a rotary valveset. Put these both together, and you have a lot of length to make up. You can go with a pigtail in the leadpipe as with the Schiller, or have a big loop right before the tuning slide, as done on the St Pete piston. A piston and a rotor valveset are two very different things, and the horn needs to be built around them. You can't just transplant one for the other without making major modifications, which both of the tubas mentioned seemed to gloss over.

Lectron · Post by **Lectron** » Tue May 21, 2013 2:26 am

bloke wrote:
MartyNeilan wrote:They basically slapped a piston valveset onto the rotary tuba body. Piston valvesets are shorter than comparable rotary valvesets, and the leadpipe entry for a piston valveset is significantly closer to the mouthpiece than on a rotary valveset. Put these both together, and you have a lot of length to make up. You can go with a pigtail in the leadpipe as with the Schiller, or have a big loop right before the tuning slide, as done on the St Pete piston. A piston and a rotor valveset are two very different things, and the horn needs to be built around them. You can't just transplant one for the other without making major modifications, which both of the tubas mentioned seemed to gloss over.
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Don't you guys just hate those cheap designs! Of course. It has NOTHING to do with the origin

tylersalyer15 · Post by **tylersalyer15** » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:46 pm

Howdy, my name is Tyler Salyer. I'm a college tuba player looking to buy my first horn. While searching the internet I saw this horn and was enticed buy the price. Would someone be willing to give me a review of this instrument and tell me if it's worth the price?

Thanks, guys!
Tyler Salyer

UTSAtuba · Post by **UTSAtuba** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:56 pm

Not sure why they just didn't 'toss' the valve set onto the Hirsbrunner body/copy/whatever they have. I'm getting back into playing, and love the portability the 192 clone offers but I'm looking at getting a CC. Hope they figure things out soon.

-J

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:47 pm

Geeze!.... there's just no end to the madness! China copying Jupiters (which are also made in China) and Jim Laabs advertising this conglomeration as a compensating tuba!

Untersatz · Post by **Untersatz** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:02 am

That's right Dan.............everything with more than 4 valves is compensating to them..........
and don't forget about the vociferous sub tones!

Untersatz · Post by **Untersatz** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:40 am

bloke wrote:How many tubas (made anywhere) aren't as good as their players ?

I had a M&M Yamaha 321 clone once (JBBB-534) It wasn't worth the air I exhaled into it!

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:53 am

TubaTinker wrote:Geeze!.... there's just no end to the madness! China copying Jupiters (which are also made in China) and Jim Laabs advertising this conglomeration as a compensating tuba!

I did see the Jupiter being copied when in China earlier this year and did wonder about the wisdom of whoever initiated the model. Don't blame the Chinese - they don't understand the western brass market. They just make what western dealers request.

I am trying to only initiate new models which are not otherwise readily available - at least not at price most players can afford such as the tornister tuba and cimbasso. Our next new tuba initiation (just agreed in Shanghai today) will be something which is not made today by anyone else at any price - and something for which I frequently get requests. So I hope Wessex bringing back to life will be service to the tuba world

Untersatz · Post by **Untersatz** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:59 am

Neptune wrote:Our next new tuba initiation (just agreed in Shanghai today) will be something which is not made today by anyone else at any price - and something for which I frequently get requests. So I hope putting back into production will be service to the tuba world

OK Jonathan, The new model is...............<Drum Roll> ???

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:17 am

TubaMusikMann wrote: OK Jonathan, The new model is...............<Drum Roll> ???

that will be new year surprise...

Lingon · Post by **Lingon** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:50 am

Neptune wrote:...(just agreed in Shanghai today) will be something which is not made today by anyone else at any price - and something for which I frequently get requests...

Ophicleide?

Bob Kolada · Post by **Bob Kolada** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:04 pm

5/6 front valve euph!

Untersatz · Post by **Untersatz** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:09 pm

6/4 Jinbao York???

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