Alternate Dvorak "New World" tuba part

[kathott]

uh, you can't just add a part because:
a) you play the tuba and the world ignores you
b) because you're bored
c) because you think that you can "realize" the piece as it "might have been".

The editing of parts is an insulated kind of thinking which gets out of hand,
and sets tuba players backwards 50 years in the eyes of their colleagues.
Orchestral players (of all instruments) have the same complaints about all
kinds of repertoire.

[UDELBR]

uh, you can't just add a part because:
a) you play the tuba and the world ignores you
b) because you're bored
c) because you think you can "realize" the piece as it "might have been".
This kind of thinking gets out of hand, and sets tuba players backwards
50 years in the eyes of their colleagues.
I'd like to "fix" the Dvorak 7th, but I won't.

Perfect! +1

[PMeuph]

The editing of parts is an insulated kind of thinking which gets out of hand,
and sets tuba players backwards 50 years in the eyes of their colleagues.
Orchestral players (of all instruments) have the same complaints about all
kinds of repertoire.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Ryker not been a tubist for approximately 40 years and doesn;t this part date from his time with the MSO? (ca. 1965?-1973)

[Wyvern]

I don't know of any tuba player who has for personal gratification written added part for themselves to play. When part has been added, it has been the conductor has decided to add tuba.

Conductor of my orchestra has on more than one occasion added tuba (such as to Beethoven 9), not at my request, but because he wants the sound of tuba in the mix. Music should be living and not set in stone. If a particular conductor wants to add tuba to maybe boost the bass sound at particular points to suit modern taste, I cannot see there is anything terribly wrong. The original orchestration has not been lost and will no doubt be played elsewhere.

[UDELBR]

I don't know of any tuba player who has for personal gratification written added part for themselves to play.

Such as "Dies Irae" down 2 octaves? I can think of one.

[pjv]

Its not clear to me why this arrangement was written. Certainly not just to give the tubist something to do, I imagine.

As we know, in the beginning of the recording era tubists often doubled bass parts, assisting in cramming the badly needed bass frequencies onto the "acoustic" recordings. Might there have been a similar idea behind the NBC arrangement? True, radio broadcasts were made using microphones, but would the addition of the tuba have helped to beef up the bass parts being lost through the airwaves?

-Pat

[Agelaus]

Anyone out there have a recording of this piece with the alternative part. I would love to hear it and compare it to the original.

[Steve Marcus]

The editing of parts is an insulated kind of thinking which gets out of hand
...Orchestral players (of all instruments) have the same complaints about all
kinds of repertoire.

Not saying that you're wrong.

But simply another way of presenting orchestral music: think "Stokowski" and other conductors. Not just their out-and-out transcriptions, Stokowski, Ormandy, and other conductors of the 19th and 20th centuries often put their own stamp on the composer's score by changing the instrumentation, dramatic alterations in tempi, etc.

[PMeuph]

The editing of parts is an insulated kind of thinking which gets out of hand
...Orchestral players (of all instruments) have the same complaints about all
kinds of repertoire.

Not saying that you're wrong.

But simply another way of presenting orchestral music: think "Stokowski" and other conductors. Not just their out-and-out transcriptions, Stokowski, Ormandy, and other conductors of the 19th and 20th centuries often put their own stamp on the composer's score by changing the instrumentation, dramatic alterations in tempi, etc.

Also, Mahler (re)orchestrated the Schumann symphonies and the Beethoven symphonies....

[Ben]

Also, Mahler (re)orchestrated the Schumann symphonies and the Beethoven symphonies....

... and Schoenberg re-orchestrated works of Bach.

As for a recording, there is one floating around of me, its even on youtube w/ the Manhattan Symphonie.

[Art Hovey]

The Encore Music link that started this thread no longer works. I'll have a chance to play it in a few months and wish I had downloaded the part when it first appeared.

Does anyone know where I can find it, or can anyone send me a copy?

[imperialbari]

I've uploaded a copy here.

I'll try to just leave it there for anyone else that finds this post. Not sure how long that will last but I'll give it a try.

Just downloaded the file from the above link, which is still on the first page of this thread.

[Kevin Hendrick]

I've uploaded a copy here.

I'll try to just leave it there for anyone else that finds this post. Not sure how long that will last but I'll give it a try.

Just downloaded the file from the above link, which is still on the first page of this thread.

Tried it a couple of minutes ago -- still works for me.

[MikeMason]

We played this in October. I considered showing this to my conductor until I realized it would mean getting home 1.5 hours later one rehearsal and arriving 2 hrs early for another for the same pay. Maybe next time...

[Wyvern]

I played this arrangement with my orchestra only last month. The conductor was happy with the part. Mind you he is a conductor that likes the tuba enough to write a part for me to play in Beethoven 9

[MrHidan30]

Ha! That's a good one Chris. As a kid I only knew Pictures at an Exhibition as a piano piece. Imagine my excitement when I went to my first real symphony concert, and to my surprise, to hear the Ravel arrangement. When my father tells the story he says I went "nuts".......

I was the other way around. I first heard it as an orchestral piece. Then later I learned that was a Ravel arrangement and not the original. The original looks terrifying to me though.

[Bob Kolada]

So, fancy pants Tubenetters, if a conductor decides on a change that's better than a degreed player deciding on a change? Keep in mind, most of the orchestral members here seem to focus on griping on the conductors' choices.

[Bob Kolada]

****, maybe the, ORCHESTRAL LOW BRASS HAND OF GOD, really should be 4 trombones.

[NCSUSousa]

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[elihellsten]

Does somebody have a full orchestra recording with the Ryker part?